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Old 02-16-2016, 08:49 AM   #391
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I'm all about Donald Trump suing Ted Cruz because I want to grab a bucket of popcorn and watch them burn together.

It would probably be one of the greatest political shows of our generation.


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the political calculus i'm seeing is that Obama will choose someone hugely sympathetic to the Democratic base. so when the GOP lights itself on fire to oppose the nominee, that will spark the needed outrage to drive critical demographics to the polls and increase electoral turnout which should then all but guarantee a D victory in November and cement O's forever reputation.
It's really interesting. It's actually almost like the best thing for the GOP to do would be to allow Obama's nominee to get through. It would continue to fuel the GOP base's "Obama gets everything he wants and we just lay down for it" paranoia, it would leave Dems satisfied and possibly even less interested in the election than before.
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It's really interesting. It's actually almost like the best thing for the GOP to do would be to allow Obama's nominee to get through. It would continue to fuel the GOP base's "Obama gets everything he wants and we just lay down for it" paranoia, it would leave Dems satisfied and possibly even less interested in the election than before.

I think it all comes down to the parties chancing if they'll win the presidency. If Democrats think they'll lose, best try to get Srinivasan through and pull the court slightly to the left. If they think they'll win, best appoint a liberal fantasy, let her be rejected by the Senate, and re-appoint her in a year. If Republicans think they'll win, best block the nominee and appoint Scalia v2.0 in a year. If they think they'll lose and Obama is kind enough to appoint Srinivasan (which relies on him also thinking that the Democrats will likely lose), then better approve Srinivasan to avoid Scalia from being replaced by RBG v2.0. It's a bit of game theory.


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If they think they'll win, best appoint a liberal fantasy, let her be rejected by the Senate, and re-appoint her in a year.


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WASHINGTON—Moving quickly to begin the process of filling the unexpected vacancy on the Supreme Court bench, President Obama spent much of the weekend compiling a shortlist of gay, transsexual abortion doctors to replace the late Antonin Scalia, White House sources confirmed Monday. “These are all exemplary candidates with strong homosexual values and proven records of performing partial-birth abortions, but am I missing anyone?” Obama reportedly asked himself while reviewing his list of queer, gender-nonconforming, feminist Planned Parenthood employees, all of whom were also said to be black immigrants. “I definitely have enough post-op transsexuals on the list, but it is a little light on pre-op candidates. And I should probably add a cop killer or two on here just to round out my options.” Sources later confirmed that Obama was attempting to rapidly narrow the list down to the single best nominee to submit to the Senate in hopes of wrapping up confirmation hearings before his choice had to leave to attend the Hajj pilgrimage.



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I'm all about Donald Trump suing Ted Cruz because I want to grab a bucket of popcorn and watch them burn together.
Oh, please, can somebody make this happen?

As for the whole birth thing regarding Cruz, ultimately, I personally couldn't care less about that in regards to him. Lord knows there's more than enough stuff to criticize him for as it is, I really don't need a retread of the "birther" debate. It was obnoxious enough when it was targeted at Obama.

That said, however, if Cruz is indeed trying to explain his citizenship issues in really absurd ways, that's pretty hilarious, and like stated elsewhere, it is funny that the birther BS is coming back to haunt the Republicans (ahhhhhhhh, karma...). If the Democrats do plan to exploit that, personally, I'd recommend they just back off and let the GOP flail and show their hypocrisy all on their own. And considering how that party doesn't even like Cruz, if he doesn't last much longer in the race, then it'd ultimately wind up a non-issue in the end anyway.

I do agree, though, that this could lead to a good discussion about the whole "natural-born citizen" law and how exactly it's defined.
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which brings us back to the Trump-is-trolling theory.

no actual candidate who wants to be president acts this way.
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you guys probably needed exclamation mark after Jeb's name. beginner mistake
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Conspiracy or not, the argument is founded on the same premise. He can't be president because -insert entirely arbitrary reason that doesn't factually change a thing-.

Obama was still born to an American. Even if he WAS born in Kenya, which he obviously wasn't, he'd still have been an American citizen. Would such a technicality have made a damn difference? Think critically.

There's zero reason to believe Ted Cruz's birthplace illegitimizes his ability to be commander and chief. There's also zero concrete language on the grounds of technicality -- just basically a damn bible verse that you get to choose how you want to interpret, written by some fat sweaty old guy in a wig who hasn't showered in dats, two hundred and fifty years ago. Nobody thought it was an issue months ago when he launched his campaign. Why care now? Because it's convenient. Entirely hypocritical, because if this were their candidate...
You're the one who needs to think critically. The Constitution does not clarify what "natural born citizen" means, and although many would argue that it means anybody who possesses citizenship at birth (which I think we both agree is the sensible explanation), that is not a universal interpretation and some take it to mean born within American territory. Hell, you don't need to look much further than the Wikipedia article on this topic for the range of debate.

My view, broken down:
1. "Natural born citizen" fairly obviously means somebody who possesses US citizenship at birth.
2. But it is sufficiently ambiguous that a legal challenge could be launched to clarify its definition once and for all.
3. Such a challenge to Cruz (or Obama, had he actually been born in Kenya) would, rightly, fail to disqualify either.
4. The clause itself is ridiculous and should be replaced with a requirement that somebody be a citizen and resident for a certain lengthy period of time, regardless of country of birth.
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