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Old 06-17-2016, 09:29 AM   #976
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Kane and Brown are the sensible, playbook picks -- swing staters who can explain her to more rural/exurban folk.

The exciting picks are Warren and Booker, not least because CB is a beautiful man who rescues people from burning buildings. I think Warren has proved herself an effective attack dog and would get under Trump's skin. Booker has some of that Obama magic. Both are inspiring.

Don't know enough to say about the others.

How does HRC see her weaknesses with the electorate, and how does she amend them in order to win? With Kaine/Brown she's making a play for the middle-of-the-road folks and Republican women, groups she's already doing well with against Trump. With Warren and Booker she gets that inspirational thing she lacks, and with Warren, she'll get some portion of those magical "millions and millions and millions" of Bernie supporters who remember to leave their parent's basement and actually vote (historically, young people have low turnout -- they did 50 years ago and they do today).

Were it me, I'd double down on Warren. And then spend a weekend on a beach in Anguilla reconciling with lovely Sen Booker.
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Julián Castro would be fantastic. Showing that Texas is home to more than just batshit insane politicians.


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Tell me about him. I know very little. How would she answer the question, "is Julian Castro qualified to be POTUS?"
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Hey! Actual news! Looks like Hillary's VP shortlist has leaked.

Warren, Kaine, Castro and Booker I expected. I'm surprised by Garcetti. He's done well as LA Mayor, but is still pretty inexperienced. I'm glad to see the party thinks that highly of him, though.



Hillary Clinton’s VP shortlist has leaked. Here are the pros and cons of each. - Vox

In my view (to steal a Bernie phrase) I think Warren is the best choice.

Castro is too young and from a state that will not go blue. Also him being latino may have been a huge plus if clinton was running against Rubio or Bush, but now against Trump, it's not an issue.

Booker, who i really like, is also a bit on the young side, is from a solid blue state, and again, hillary has the AA vote wrapped up. So he doesn't really gain anything for her.

Brown, who i like, would probably be a pretty solid choice. If he could deliver Ohio, that would be the election right there. So I would say he is high on the list. But he's also kind of a boring, shlubby white guy that doesn't bring much energy to the ticket.

Kaine is also a boring white guy. But would deliver Virginia (Although i think Clinton will win Virginia on her own merits already). He also is too centrist for this election cycle.

Warren brings hillary a few of things that she really needs. 1. She brings excitement, and passion. 2. She brings over a good chunk of Bernie supporters who will see Warren as someone who will make hillary stick to her shifts to the left. 3. She helps to win over more white women, and young white women that hillary is struggling with right now. 4. It would be a historic ticket to have TWO women. Especially going up against Trump. It would be amazing to see him being taken down by two strong women. 5. She has proven herself to be a formidable attack dog, and i think would tear it up in a debate with anyone Trump chooses.
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Tell me about him. I know very little. How would she answer the question, "is Julian Castro qualified to be POTUS?"
He's a rising star, heads up HUD, and is a great speaker. But again. He is just too young. I don't think anyone can argue he is fully ready to step into the Oval Office if needed. Especially now with terrorism making itself an issue again.

I think that in 8 years, a Booker/Castro ticket would be amazing.
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I think it's important to seperate BernieBRO from BernieBOT.



I think the two have been mixed together, but in the beginning, the BernieBRO tag was meant for someone that was a rabid Bernie supporter, BUT was an obvious privileged white male, that would make terrible sexist, mysogonistic, possibly racist remarks.



To me this is not to be confused with the BernieBots, that are rabid supporters, that seem to have gotten a thorough brainwashing into the Sanders cult-like following, could be male or female, that would launch into straight anti-hillary tirades, stating that she is worst human to ever be birthed on the planet and that everything she's ever done from the time she could talk is suppress, warmonger, hate, take piles of cash just to screw the little guy, the antithesis of all that it good in this world.



You could come back with reasoned debate, list off a dozen instances that Bernie made bad decisions that stack right up there with Clintons, but it would then be met with calls that you are a tool of the oligarchs, being bent over by your corporate overlords and that somehow every primary that Bernie won was perfect, and every one that Hillary won was rigged, cheated and bought by the establishment.



There is crossover, but to me there is a distinction between the two terms.



This is a reasonable analysis. It's shocking the amount of click bait posted on social media that say "SANDERS JUST FLIPPED THREE MORE COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA YET THE CORPORATE MEDIA IS SILENT." The Bots seem to think that Bernie is a victim of a corrupt system, and the Bros see the free stuff that Bernie has promised as something that is owed to them.

In here, we have the Bro -- we've seen BMP's misogyny and racism in here for months ("that Lena Dunham is a man hater" "black people only voted for Clinton because it was a name they recognized.")

In real life, I am related to a Bot. Lots of "$hillary" posts and vague mentions of oligarchy and corporate media -- it's as conspiratorial and half-informed as anything you could find in Tea Party literature.
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I also don't know much about Julian Castro but I've seen him in a couple of interviews and speaking and he unfortunately comes across as dull/boring. I was actually quite surprised given that he is young, but his personality really doesn't come across great.

I also don't think that VPs deliver swing states and I think there have been some studies done now to support that. So in my eyes Kaine/Brown bring absolutely nothing to the table and I want neither of them anywhere in line to be the next President. Say what you will of Bernie Bros and how it's preferable to get incremental change, but these two as presidents would be going backwards. Just awful. I'd be really disappointed if she makes a pick like them, not only because I don't like them but because she doesn't need them at all.

Warren is competent, well spoken, intelligent. I worry that some people would get hung up on the "two women" running together (because centuries of 2 men is different somehow) and I am also not sure how well Hillary would do potentially being overshadowed by a more likeable running mate. Warren has an excellent way of breaking down the issues so that they can be understood by your average person so while she is of a similar intellectual elite background as Hillary she comes across as much more folksy. That may not swing people like us here but heaven knows we've all been hearing for years now that the public wants a President they can have a beer with.
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Tell me about him. I know very little. How would she answer the question, "is Julian Castro qualified to be POTUS?"
I honestly don't know a ton about him; my post wasn't completely serious. But he is really popular among Texas Democrats, who see him as a leader of a movement that will eventually result in a blue (or at least purple) Texas.
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I also don't know much about Julian Castro but I've seen him in a couple of interviews and speaking and he unfortunately comes across as dull/boring. I was actually quite surprised given that he is young, but his personality really doesn't come across great.

I also don't think that VPs deliver swing states and I think there have been some studies done now to support that. So in my eyes Kaine/Brown bring absolutely nothing to the table and I want neither of them anywhere in line to be the next President. Say what you will of Bernie Bros and how it's preferable to get incremental change, but these two as presidents would be going backwards. Just awful. I'd be really disappointed if she makes a pick like them, not only because I don't like them but because she doesn't need them at all.

Warren is competent, well spoken, intelligent. I worry that some people would get hung up on the "two women" running together (because centuries of 2 men is different somehow) and I am also not sure how well Hillary would do potentially being overshadowed by a more likeable running mate. Warren has an excellent way of breaking down the issues so that they can be understood by your average person so while she is of a similar intellectual elite background as Hillary she comes across as much more folksy. That may not swing people like us here but heaven knows we've all been hearing for years now that the public wants a President they can have a beer with.
I don't know about those studies, but i do think the help is minimal. I would think a true swing state could be moved at least a percentage point, which could make the difference. But in comparison to what Warren would bring, i think its not even a contest.
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I honestly don't know a ton about him; my post wasn't completely serious. But he is really popular among Texas Democrats, who see him as a leader of a movement that will eventually result in a blue (or at least purple) Texas.
I think we've just pinpointed another problem with Castro.

3 people, here on a forum about politics say, "they don't know much about him"
That is not what Clinton needs. She needs some excitement and passion from a known entity.
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I think we've just pinpointed another problem with Castro.



3 people, here on a forum about politics say, "they don't know much about him"

That is not what Clinton needs. She needs some excitement and passion from a known entity.


And the way Trump has been actively pissing on Latinos, I'm not sure they're going to need much encouragement to show up in November and vote against him.
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And the way Trump has been actively pissing on Latinos, I'm not sure they're going to need much encouragement to show up in November and vote against him.
Yeah Castro's name was the first one that came up, nearly a year ago. This was when the common consensus was the Rubio or Bush would be the GOP nominee...

Now, Trump has disapproval of 89% of latinos and 94% of African Americans.

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I don't know about those studies, but i do think the help is minimal. I would think a true swing state could be moved at least a percentage point, which could make the difference. But in comparison to what Warren would bring, i think its not even a contest.
Not a huge fan of Politico but it's an interesting article:

Why VPs Matter Less Than You Think - POLITICO Magazine
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I think we've just pinpointed another problem with Castro.

3 people, here on a forum about politics say, "they don't know much about him"
That is not what Clinton needs. She needs some excitement and passion from a known entity.
Plus how many folks will think he's related to Fidel?
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Plus how many folks will think he's related to Fidel?
oh god. So true. You have to account for stupidity. A lot of it.
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He and his twin brother spoke at the 2012 DNC. His brother Joaquin is a member of the House.

I agree he is likely too young, but he's got a bright future in the party.

And damn, a Booker/Castro future ticket would be easy on the eyes.



Warren would be my pick. She's qualified and it would royally piss off Trump's base of misogynists.
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