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Old 06-04-2016, 01:54 AM   #466
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When will the two of them go head-to-head? I can't wait for that.

Also looking forward to Clint Eastwood wheeling out the empty chair again at the RNC.
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i can't wait for this goddam election to be over
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I don't know how you do it. We're, like, four weeks into an eight-week campaign over here and everyone fucking hates it.
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Another civilized protest yesterday, this time in San Jose.
He bad. I good. I angry. I fight him!

Seriously. Freedom of Speech. Let him say his stupid garbage and bury himself and his party.
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While these kinds of protests are never justified and do more harm than good, are they really surprising in light of Trump's blatantly racist demagoguery and his own stoking of violence amongst his supporters as a way of dealing with protestors?

Also, does anyone thing he's really going to get 35% of the Latino vote?
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I guess the best thing to do is just ignore Trump and hope he goes away. It always works, history can attest to that.
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Also, does anyone thing he's really going to get 35% of the Latino vote?

I think he can match Romneys 27% share. Possibly do better. Immigration is not the top priority among all Latino voters. I have met Latino voters who are resentful of illegal immigrants for receiving government benefits, while they work their butts off and pay taxes. The economy is still the number one issue in the election.



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I think he can match Romneys 27% share. Possibly do better. Immigration is not the top priority among all Latino voters. I have met Latino voters who are resentful of illegal immigrants for receiving government benefits, while they work their butts off and pay taxes. The economy is still the number one issue in the election.



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Are there "Latinos resentful of illegal immigrants"? Of course. But are there Latinos who are resentful of Trump's portrayal of them? Of course.

How do you think he's gained any of that demographic? From where I stand, he's lost more than he's gained.

If the economy is the number one issue, then why isn't Trump talking about real solutions to improve it?

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If the economy is the number one issue, then why isn't Trump talking about real solutions to improve it?

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Consider the fact that we only added 38,000 jobs in the recent report, goes to show the current conventional thinking is not working.

As for specifics, Trump's plan to lower the corporate tax rate to 15% would be a game changer. It would be a shot of adrenaline to current US business and encourage them to keep their interests stateside. It would the US a desirable location for foreign companies to set up shop. You may argue it's a trickle down fantasy, but it's Trump's outside-the-box business sense that people find attractive. If you loosen the chains on business you will get more job growth, break out of the wage stagnation the middle class has been stuck in for the past fifteen years.

Initially you might see a net loss in tax revenue going to the government coffers, but that will turn around quickly as business expansion blossoms. In the end the average American looks at their bi-weekly paycheck as what really matters when asked about the Economy. If Trump can deftly articulate a string of pearls as to how the change in corporate tax rate will result in bigger pay checks he will find success across the entire spectrum of voters.


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Consider the fact that we only added 38,000 jobs in the recent report, goes to show the current conventional thinking is not working.

As for specifics, Trump's plan to lower the corporate tax rate to 15% would be a game changer. It would be a shot of adrenaline to current US business and encourage them to keep their interests stateside. It would the US a desirable location for foreign companies to set up shop. You may argue it's a trickle down fantasy, but it's Trump's outside-the-box business sense that people find attractive. If you loosen the chains on business you will get more job growth, break out of the wage stagnation the middle class has been stuck in for the past fifteen years.

Initially you might see a net loss in tax revenue going to the government coffers, but that will turn around quickly as business expansion blossoms. In the end the average American looks at their bi-weekly paycheck as what really matters when asked about the Economy. If Trump can deftly articulate a string of pearls as to how the change in corporate tax rate will result in bigger pay checks he will find success across the entire spectrum of voters.


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Outside the box?

This is just GOP orthodoxy. And has been since 1981.
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Consider the fact that we only added 38,000 jobs in the recent report, goes to show the current conventional thinking is not working.

As for specifics, Trump's plan to lower the corporate tax rate to 15% would be a game changer. It would be a shot of adrenaline to current US business and encourage them to keep their interests stateside. It would the US a desirable location for foreign companies to set up shop. You may argue it's a trickle down fantasy, but it's Trump's outside-the-box business sense that people find attractive. If you loosen the chains on business you will get more job growth, break out of the wage stagnation the middle class has been stuck in for the past fifteen years.

Initially you might see a net loss in tax revenue going to the government coffers, but that will turn around quickly as business expansion blossoms. In the end the average American looks at their bi-weekly paycheck as what really matters when asked about the Economy. If Trump can deftly articulate a string of pearls as to how the change in corporate tax rate will result in bigger pay checks he will find success across the entire spectrum of voters.


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There's nothing outside the box about his plan But apparently he's still fooling some of you. How he's fooling some of you with college degrees is baffling.

It takes a lot to make significant demographic changes, and Trump has ONLY offended that demographic. You would be a fool to think he gets the same or more than Romney.


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Consider the fact that we only added 38,000 jobs in the recent report, goes to show the current conventional thinking is not working.
The fact that you think that numbers in one job report (which have not been consistent with prior months, so were unexpected) "goes to show" anything just tells us that you're not looking at economic fundamentals but parroting a talking point of the week.
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I think he can match Romneys 27% share. Possibly do better. Immigration is not the top priority among all Latino voters. I have met Latino voters who are resentful of illegal immigrants for receiving government benefits, while they work their butts off and pay taxes. The economy is still the number one issue in the election.



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Yeah, because calling into question the fairness of an American judge because he happens to be of Mexican descent is going to appeal to Latinos. I'm Latina and know plenty of other Latinos, not a single one would dream of voting for Trump.

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The fact that you think that numbers in one job report (which have not been consistent with prior months, so were unexpected) "goes to show" anything just tells us that you're not looking at economic fundamentals but parroting a talking point of the week.
I like to look at the trend of the labor force participation rate.
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As for specifics, Trump's plan to lower the corporate tax rate to 15% would be a game changer. It would be a shot of adrenaline to current US business and encourage them to keep their interests stateside. It would the US a desirable location for foreign companies to set up shop. You may argue it's a trickle down fantasy, but it's Trump's outside-the-box business sense that people find attractive. If you loosen the chains on business you will get more job growth, break out of the wage stagnation the middle class has been stuck in for the past fifteen years.

Initially you might see a net loss in tax revenue going to the government coffers, but that will turn around quickly as business expansion blossoms. In the end the average American looks at their bi-weekly paycheck as what really matters when asked about the Economy. If Trump can deftly articulate a string of pearls as to how the change in corporate tax rate will result in bigger pay checks he will find success across the entire spectrum of voters.


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Do people still believe this nonsense? We've had 30 years of tax cuts for the rich and corporations that shows that this does not work.


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