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Old 06-03-2016, 12:26 PM   #451
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And I'm not sure if democracy in Romania is (that much) worse than in the USA.
Yeah at least they had to jump through hoops to join the EU...
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I was so happy to see Clinton's speech yesterday. This is what i've been waiting for from her. Calm, collected, and brutal. Trump has looked even more like a flailing idiot than usual this week.
I have to say I also thought she did very well in that speech, riding on her strengths. I'm not her biggest fan but compare her speech to that idiot Trump tweeting like a dumb teenager and it's pretty much all the information you should need.
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Clinton just needs to be steady, show understanding of policy and world affairs. Trump will continue to do what he does, which is act like a moron. He'll keep his base, but Clinton has the chance to add to hers (Bernie supporters, moderate GOP, Independents)

It really is sad that in 2016, these candidates are the best a nation with over 340 million people can produce. Ideally we would want someone who is the BEST at what they do, or possibly the smartest, most logical ideas to progress society forward.

Clinton is a liar, she's shady, and she's a politician. She knows the game, she is also extremely smart. She just isn't the most likable person, in fact, she's one of the least favorable public personas presented for POTUS in a while. From those who have worked with her in private, the reviews are better. She's brilliant, she wants to learn and understand policy. But none of that really comes across when she is in public.

The reason I am voting for her is that she will not fuck everything up. Her worst case presidency is a GOP lite term. She'll be socially liberal, more conservative towards economy, and possibly a hawk in terms of Middle East. Basically Obama 2.0 She will not nominate SC Justices who will send us backwards. Again, worst case she nominates moderate judges who won't ruffle feathers.

Best case she ditches her tendencies and jumps on some of the more leftist policies being thrown out by Bernie (and others) as she needs that base to get behind her and reward that vote.

What is the best case for Trump? That he surrounds himself with brilliant minds in his cabinet (and note that he's talked about having Sarah Palin in his cabinet), and delegates the work (though he'd still take credit for it all). When it comes to world affairs, possible war or military action, he defaults to the generals to make the best decisions versus acting out of his own ego/feelings. Things keep churning as normal.

Now what's the worst case scenario and are we willing to risk that?
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What is the best case for Trump? That he surrounds himself with brilliant minds in his cabinet (and note that he's talked about having Sarah Palin in his cabinet)
He has?

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Hillary Clinton's speech was brilliant and brutal. She eviscerated him. I also cannot wait until President Obama gets into the fray.

Basically, with his public questioning of a federal judge, Donald Trump has just questioned the patriotism of every Mexican-American. He can go fuck himself.
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This made me smile. But also vomit.

Vomile? Smomit?

That would sum up this whole cycle.

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Hillary Clinton's speech was brilliant and brutal. She eviscerated him. I also cannot wait until President Obama gets into the fray.



i see her having no problems winning over lots of centrist to center right voters, especially women.
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Basically, with his public questioning of a federal judge, Donald Trump has just questioned the patriotism of every Mexican-American. He can go fuck himself.

To all those that say; 'you slap the racist label on him' or 'we all know he just means the illegal ones':

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38000 new jobs when 160000 was expected
Obama and Clinton not making America great at all
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i see her having no problems winning over lots of centrist to center right voters, especially women.
Yep. Just need the dust to settle after next week and the campaigns can really begin.

I really thought Trump would scale it back a bit once getting the nomination, but he seems to be doubling down on the stupid.

But this election is going to probably be the ugliest, rudest, and downright most despicable ever.

I have a feeling the events in San Jose will only become more frequent, and probably more violent before November.

While I cannot fathom why someone would support Trump other than thinking his Presidency would destroy the system and something new/better can come into place, there is absolutely no need for the violence against his supporters. It really fits into the narrative he's been throwing out there that the Left/Mexicans/Immigrants are out to punish the American way of life.
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A matchup with Trump may well play to her strengths.

She doesn't need to be inspirational. She needs to discredit him. That she can do as effectively as anyone.
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To the surprise of no one, and less than a month after initially saying he was "not ready," Paul Ryan has endorsed Trump.

Way to make a principled stand, Paul.*


*of course, when Trump is defeated, Ryan will point to his initial hesitance as a principled stand as he gears up for the 2020 race.
* future Ryan campaign manager above

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Clinton just needs to be steady, show understanding of policy and world affairs. Trump will continue to do what he does, which is act like a moron. He'll keep his base, but Clinton has the chance to add to hers (Bernie supporters, moderate GOP, Independents)

It really is sad that in 2016, these candidates are the best a nation with over 340 million people can produce. Ideally we would want someone who is the BEST at what they do, or possibly the smartest, most logical ideas to progress society forward.

Clinton is a liar, she's shady, and she's a politician. She knows the game, she is also extremely smart. She just isn't the most likable person, in fact, she's one of the least favorable public personas presented for POTUS in a while. From those who have worked with her in private, the reviews are better. She's brilliant, she wants to learn and understand policy. But none of that really comes across when she is in public.

The reason I am voting for her is that she will not fuck everything up. Her worst case presidency is a GOP lite term. She'll be socially liberal, more conservative towards economy, and possibly a hawk in terms of Middle East. Basically Obama 2.0 She will not nominate SC Justices who will send us backwards. Again, worst case she nominates moderate judges who won't ruffle feathers.

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What is the best case for Trump? That he surrounds himself with brilliant minds in his cabinet (and note that he's talked about having Sarah Palin in his cabinet), and delegates the work (though he'd still take credit for it all). When it comes to world affairs, possible war or military action, he defaults to the generals to make the best decisions versus acting out of his own ego/feelings. Things keep churning as normal.


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Now what's the worst case scenario and are we willing to risk that?
Uh.... besides possible causing WWW 3, or totally ignoring climate change!?!

Then if he goes along w the worst of the Rightwing Republicans/Conservatives...

Slashing $ for or privatizing Social Security, Social Security Disability, Supplemental Securiry Incone, Medicare, Medicaid, more cuts to Food Stamps ( President Obama did a real disservices in reducing FS benefits )
Does anyone care about this?

As bad in other ways- increased "tolerence" of really nasty racism, sexism ( along w continued micro aggressions) and, Islamophobia. No new gun-control laws.

Not sure if he would look the other way if the Christian Right and American Christian Dominiasts upped their game.

All i can think of for now...
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