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Old 05-25-2016, 08:45 PM   #301
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I don't know if it "damaged" it. Bush/Cheney pissed a lot of people off, so in some sense what deep is saying is true. It led to Obama.

I suppose my main point is better illustrated like this: individuals who have the right to vote aren't the issue. The issue is the leaders. If Gore were a better candidate, people wouldn't have voted for Nader. If Clinton were a better candidate, people wouldn't vote for Stein. If Stein were as compromising of a leader as you are, she wouldn't run.

Blame Stein. Blame Nader. Blame republicans. But your tragedy of the commons argument isn't going to satisfy anyone who doesn't want either of the two candidates. Right now, Sanders isn't a problem. And he won't be unless he runs for president. And if he does, he's a dick. Not the people who vote for him.


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All about this. He gets a few SC justices put on the court, and all of those abortion rights, minority rights, and the corporate "rights" go back a century.

The damage, in my opinion, would never be undone.


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Do you think we get the candidates we deserve?

Why does it matter what I think? We are a population, not individual people. If 100,000 people in Florida voted for Nader it's not because they're stubborn. It's because the ticket and platform wasn't optimal.
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Why does it matter what I think? We are a population, not individual people. If 100,000 people in Florida voted for Nader it's not because they're stubborn. It's because the ticket and platform wasn't optimal.


I might say it's because they're selfish.
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If Trump bringing his business acumen to the White House would involve the actual US going bankrupt and a whole slew of sponsorship deals to get other countries to call themselves the United States. We'd also have a reality TV show where we get a bunch of third world countries to compete against each other for the right to be democracies. Because Trump.

The biggest joke of all is how he's been able to convince old white peop...errr i mean his base that he's this real estate mogul business genius.

I give him this, he's a marketing genius. But he hasn't been a relevant developer in Manhattan in 20 years. His casinos went bankrupt. Nobody goes to his hotel in Vegas. And most of his world wide properties he didn't even develop. He's a scam artist. A good one, but a scam artist none the less.

He's a great businessman only in the eyes of an idiot.

Where are his tax returns? There's only three reasons why he's withholding them... 1) he's either using incredible tax loopholes to avoid paying income tax, which would go against his everyman bullshit thing he's going after... 2) he's worth a shit load less than what he says he's worth... or the most likely answer, 3) both.

He is historically unqualified to be the leader of this country. Just look at the AirEgypt crash. Knee jerk, tell it like it is reaction... and here we are with still no claim of responsibility, and a high chance that it was an electrical fire.

He has no idea what he's doing, he would alienate even our closest allies, and turn us into an absolute joke. Probably even get us into a war or two for no reason. And not like an unnecessary war like Iraq, where shit at least they tried to convince everyone of the dangers. Like an unnecessary war based on a knee jerk reaction to something that may or may not have actually happened the way he says it did.

The riots in the streets will continue for weeks if he's elected. And I shudder to think of how he'd handle a situation like Ferguson or Baltimore.

He will be an absolute disaster, and that's before we even bring up the Supreme Court.
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If Trump bringing his business acumen to the White House would involve the actual US going bankrupt and a whole slew of sponsorship deals to get other countries to call themselves the United States. We'd also have a reality TV show where we get a bunch of third world countries to compete against each other for the right to be democracies. Because Trump.

The biggest joke of all is how he's been able to convince old white peop...errr i mean his base that he's this real estate mogul business genius.

I give him this, he's a marketing genius. But he hasn't been a relevant developer in Manhattan in 20 years. His casinos went bankrupt. Nobody goes to his hotel in Vegas. And most of his world wide properties he didn't even develop. He's a scam artist. A good one, but a scam artist none the less.

He's a great businessman only in the eyes of an idiot.

Where are his tax returns? There's only three reasons why he's withholding them... 1) he's either using incredible tax loopholes to avoid paying income tax, which would go against his everyman bullshit thing he's going after... 2) he's worth a shit load less than what he says he's worth... or the most likely answer, 3) both.

He is historically unqualified to be the leader of this country. Just look at the AirEgypt crash. Knee jerk, tell it like it is reaction... and here we are with still no claim of responsibility, and a high chance that it was an electrical fire.

He has no idea what he's doing, he would alienate even our closest allies, and turn us into an absolute joke. Probably even get us into a war or two for no reason. And not like an unnecessary war like Iraq, where shit at least they tried to convince everyone of the dangers. Like an unnecessary war based on a knee jerk reaction to something that may or may not have actually happened the way he says it did.

The riots in the streets will continue for weeks if he's elected. And I shudder to think of how he'd handle a situation like Ferguson or Baltimore.

He will be an absolute disaster, and that's before we even bring up the Supreme Court.


Just like Hillary. I can't even tell the difference between the parties anymore.
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I might say it's because they're selfish.

Because you're applying your own belief to everyone else. Call the candidate selfish. That's fair. I fail to see how people are selfish because they have different views from you.
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If Trump bringing his business acumen to the White House would involve the actual US going bankrupt and a whole slew of sponsorship deals to get other countries to call themselves the United States. We'd also have a reality TV show where we get a bunch of third world countries to compete against each other for the right to be democracies. Because Trump.

The biggest joke of all is how he's been able to convince old white peop...errr i mean his base that he's this real estate mogul business genius.

I give him this, he's a marketing genius. But he hasn't been a relevant developer in Manhattan in 20 years. His casinos went bankrupt. Nobody goes to his hotel in Vegas. And most of his world wide properties he didn't even develop. He's a scam artist. A good one, but a scam artist none the less.

He's a great businessman only in the eyes of an idiot.

Where are his tax returns? There's only three reasons why he's withholding them... 1) he's either using incredible tax loopholes to avoid paying income tax, which would go against his everyman bullshit thing he's going after... 2) he's worth a shit load less than what he says he's worth... or the most likely answer, 3) both.

He is historically unqualified to be the leader of this country. Just look at the AirEgypt crash. Knee jerk, tell it like it is reaction... and here we are with still no claim of responsibility, and a high chance that it was an electrical fire.

He has no idea what he's doing, he would alienate even our closest allies, and turn us into an absolute joke. Probably even get us into a war or two for no reason. And not like an unnecessary war like Iraq, where shit at least they tried to convince everyone of the dangers. Like an unnecessary war based on a knee jerk reaction to something that may or may not have actually happened the way he says it did.

The riots in the streets will continue for weeks if he's elected. And I shudder to think of how he'd handle a situation like Ferguson or Baltimore.

He will be an absolute disaster, and that's before we even bring up the Supreme Court.

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There's only three reasons why he's withholding them... 1) he's either using incredible tax loopholes to avoid paying income tax, which would go against his everyman bullshit thing he's going after...
Yeah, I'd love to see the GOP try and defend that, considering their attitude that people who are underemployed or looking for work, and therefore unable to pay taxes as a result, are nothing more than "lazy bums and moochers".

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He has no idea what he's doing, he would alienate even our closest allies, and turn us into an absolute joke. Probably even get us into a war or two for no reason. And not like an unnecessary war like Iraq, where shit at least they tried to convince everyone of the dangers. Like an unnecessary war based on a knee jerk reaction to something that may or may not have actually happened the way he says it did.
Yep. Some leader called him a name and suddenly it's an all out brawl.

But hey, he "tells it like it is", so who cares, right?
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I might say it's because they're selfish.
Aren't the vast majority of votes cast for the candidate who the voter thinks suits their best interest and therefore selfish by definition?
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