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Old 05-25-2016, 02:52 PM   #271
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Your belittling tone of being amused by me isn't personal, I know.
Well I apologize if you found my tone belittling. I just found your use of 'idealism' ironic when you're talking about the moral and conscience reasons for voting and we were talking about just the measurable numeric outcome.


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Except votes for Nader kept a movement alive. Votes for Gary Johnson keep a movement alive. They open the door for these political parties to go somewhere. Whether that's for a seat in congress or for spreading their beliefs.

If you're not endorsing a two party system, who should vote for these third parties? Isn't it ridiculous that we call them "third" parties, if we aren't in a two party system?
Well in order to put an end to a two party system, de facto or not, more has to be done on the other side of the ballot box. I think one has to be strategic at times with their vote, because at the end of the day it is just a number. If you're making a statement with your vote shouldn't you make sure it gets heard somehow? I think this is a dangerous election to be trying to make a statement, or in the case of how this conversation started, a tantrum.
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The only reason this is an issue, is because she's a Clinton.
And has the audacity to want to be president.
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A lot of us blamed Ralph Nader voters for W in 2000. If they voted Gore then we would have had no W. That is true.

But if we had the safe 'new Democrat' Gore, which was much like the moderate Bill Clinton. We would have never have gotten the 'progressive' Barrack Obama. With all the 'change' he has brought. In 2008 the Dem party knew they could not shove progressives aside and go with the safe 'Hillary'. The progressives won the day and we got Obama. Obama owes his nomination and Presidency to the the 2000 Nader voters. Progressives that refused to sell out.
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Not sure if Clinton will keep some of these "left" views on the table when she is the nominee, but I think she will to try and sway the BernieBros to her in the general. If she's elected, hard to say. Things change once you're in office, usually because compromise becomes key versus ideology.
But what compromise? If Clinton is elected President, it's likely Democrats will hold a bare Senate majority while Republicans will still control the House.

I mean, compromise is fine if you're trying to pass liberal legislation and earning some Republican votes by getting them to join your side and changing aspects of a certain bill to suit them...but that's what Obama tried for five years to no avail before he finally gave up. Watering down the ACA and even going as far as to actually attempt a "grand bargain" with severe cuts to the social safety net - neither of which led to any Republican support.

Therefore, any shift to the right by Clinton to pass legislation will automatically mean she's basically doing it with mostly Republicans at her side rather than Democrats, just as Obama is getting far more support for the TPP from the GOP than his own party.

There is effectively no compromise with the current GOP morons, not even to get the general functions of government moving along.

So, Clinton either tries to pass left-wing legislation and she will fail time and again, even if she makes concessions to the right. She'll even face the same problem for thinks like budgeting, seating the courts, etc. It's not even up for discussion because we've already been through this for the last seven years.

She'll have no problem earning Republican votes if it's some big fracking bill or Wall Street boost, but that's not a "compromise" - that's just selling out the left and that's what everyone on the far left is afraid of...the argument about compromise in here would be warranted if the Republicans were actually willing to play ball, but they're not, leaving us to twiddle our thumbs until enough of their voters die off and Democrats control congress once again.
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Bernie Bros, all Bernie supporters and true progressives need to stay the course like the Nader voters did in 2000,
Does anyone think if Hillary got the nomination in 2008 the country would be at the same place Obama has taken it. Cuba, Iran, North Viet Nam, gay marriage, supreme court appointments, even the ACC, would she have accomplished those things?? We certainly have had a more progressive 8 years under Obama then we would have had under a Clinton.
Again Nader voters pushed the party to nominate Obama in 2008 instead of the triangulating Clinton.

This election is a choice for the Democrats to move ahead or look back.
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And what progress will there be under trump?


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most likely a 4 year stagnation or set back, and then 8+ years of a progressive agenda moving the country ahead
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A lot of damage can be done in 4 years...
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nothing could be worse than the 8 years of W, that I blamed on Nader voters

truth is Nader voters were honest people that knew a vote for Nader was not a vote against Gore and for W, it was a vote against W, and against Gore-Clinton type politics that were both not acceptable to them. Every 2000 Nader voter I know happily voted for Obama in 2008, and thinking about it, they are responsible for his nomination.
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Meanwhile in 'I wonder what Ted Cruz is up to?'

One of my best friends sat next to him on a Southwest flight today from Houston to DC. Said he watched "Creed" the whole flight.

At least he's not bilking the taxpayers for buying first class tickets and instead flew stowage class.

But as we always say . . .


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Meanwhile in 'I wonder what Ted Cruz is up to?'

One of my best friends sat next to him on a Southwest flight today from Houston to DC. Said he watched "Creed" the whole flight.


With arms wide open...

He would like that band.
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nothing could be worse than the 8 years of W, that I blamed on Nader voters.
You really want to find that out?
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One of my best friends sat next to him on a Southwest flight today from Houston to DC. Said he watched "Creed" the whole flight.
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Speaking of Southwest, you see the Albuquerque footage from last night?
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Speaking of Southwest, you see the Albuquerque footage from last night?

Yes. The protestors should realize that getting violent while waiving the Mexican flag plays right into Trump's hands.


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With arms wide open...



He would like that band.

The Christian imagery in the lyrics might turn off Lucifer. He may prefer Creed's Canadian bastard offspring 'Nickelback'

Nickelback actually makes me nostalgic for Creed. The devolution of alternative rock bloodline.


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