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Old 05-24-2016, 11:56 PM   #211
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because he and his contributors let their bias creep into their projections and the articles they would cite and post, in 2008 he was more on the money, was credible, now just another asshat


He did pretty well in 2012.

But you're smarter than him now. Congrats!
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Old 05-25-2016, 12:02 AM   #212
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His site was crap this year, didn't feel like going back to cite when he nailed it
I have been checking him as a good source for yrars, but this year he held back and would not followe events and when they got in front, the bias was obvious, I hope they can get back to when they were good.
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I'm certainly thankful every day for John Kerry losing the Presidency at least. I think both the left and Democrats benefited long-term from that and what would have been the point of a Kerry Presidency if he wasn't going to withdraw from Iraq in the first place? Bush got blamed for the economic meltdown that would have happened regardless giving everything that was in place before the 2004 election and Democrats will benefit from that and the ongoing Iraq quagmire for years to come.

And the key problem when it came to Gore/Kerry is that neither even had any real ideas of where they wanted to take the country. Gore's argument was basically "uh, more of the same" while Kerry's was "doesn't this guy suck?"...I mean, say what you will about a lot of Clinton's lip service, but at least she has some ideas to keep things drifting towards the left.
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...or of inflating Sanders' ego whereby he, a soundly losing candidate, exacts petty demands lest he refuse to unite the party. Let's see if Sanders cares about defeating Trump, or if Sanders cares about Sanders.
This is already a settled issue given the major concessions that the Democratic party just gave Sanders. He is going to have his people on the board writing the damn platform. He will fall in line and the worries around here are ultimately for nought.
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Minorities, women, and LGBT voters don't have the luxury of Jill Stein votes, or of inflating Sanders' ego whereby he, a soundly losing candidate, exacts petty demands lest he refuse to unite the party. Let's see if Sanders cares about defeating Trump, or if Sanders cares about Sanders.

You're speaking for everyone as though if you're a woman, or if you're a minority, or if you're gay, you'd never dream of voting for Jill Stein.

And your statement about whether or not Sanders cares about defeating Trump... and the only other logical side is that he cares about himself... why? Why can't you accept that Sanders is trying to genuinely run on principle, and trying to move the positions of the Democratic Party to the left?

It seems like you try to villainize Bernie Sanders as much as everyone calls out Clinton or Trump for being a supposed villain. And you're also coming off as rather insecure about Clinton. Do you think painting Sanders as a selfish enemy is in any way helpful dialogue? When he launches an independent bid, sure, call him selfish. Until then, I think you're just being insecure.
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Guess point of the videos was that you had two public figures who lean to the left, both come out and state that while the primary process is a bit out dated, confusing, and just weird, Clinton still has the votes.

Even John said if you count the caucus votes, Clinton still has a 2.9 million vote advantage. Even if you added an additional 10k votes to Bernie for every primary, and then another 100k just for shits and giggles, he's still losing by a lot.

It's time for him to bow out. Maybe he and Clinton can work on some deal to help bridge the gap between the two and keep her more to the left (remember all candidates slide to the middle for the general)

And super delegates aren't a bad thing. Pretty sure the GOP wishes they had them


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it's also subtly racist. the minorities are in charge now. we want to go back to whiter times.
Yes, toot that dog whistle, Mr Drumph.
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And super delegates aren't a bad thing. Pretty sure the GOP wishes they had them
Except you entirely missed the point of Oliver arguing against them in that video. Why should someone get two votes (since super delegates can also vote in their own primaries/caucuses) and why should a few hundred people with a bias towards their own party bosses get to overturn the will of the voters? It's entirely something that just sits there to piss people off and it's only power is to one day potentially really piss them off.

The smart move to energize voters and lead to more excitement to boost things in the general election is to just give it to whichever candidate earns the most votes and that's it. It would also be in line with the Democratic party's own goal to abolish the Electoral College as evidenced in all of the blue states signing on to the compact...

There would also be no more talk of "momentum" in a given state or arbitrarily trying to earn a win in one state or another. The public could just see the overall vote count and anybody trailing could either drop out sooner since it's unlikely they would get any momentum since there's no longer any states to win or try and mobilize their base to close the gap in actual, tangible voters.
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Dave is a little salty today.
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Nader voters should continue to apologize to each and every one of us each and every day.
Amen. And I was a Nader supporter in his various issue campaigns through the years

But I think Gore could have fought back more, too
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Or some of us could get over ourselves and vote like it matters. Because it does.

Minorities, women, and LGBT voters don't have the luxury of Jill Stein votes, or of inflating Sanders' ego whereby he, a soundly losing candidate, exacts petty demands lest he refuse to unite the party. Let's see if Sanders cares about defeating Trump, or if Sanders cares about Sanders. You want to splinter the left and erode Clinton support and then blame her? Was it what she was wearing? You want to mindlessly equivocate between Trump and Clinton as Jill Strin has done? Do you actually think the parties are the same? Would a President Gore have done what W did?

It only took 100,000 assholes in FL to give us the Bush nightmare.
This
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Is JS (know her name not listened to her speeches) saying Hillary and Trump are the same as ole ralphie did re Clinton v W?
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Be the change you want to see (in this thread).
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As a quick aside I see Austria's far-right candidate was defeated (not by much, but still ) Thank goodness. Not that that faction is going away.... still 'phew'.
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As a quick aside I see Austria's far-right candidate was defeated (not by much, but still ) Thank goodness. Not that that faction is going away.... still 'phew'.
The sad part is that it should have been a blowout in the runoff if you add up the support for leftist and center-left alternatives...you wonder if there was significantly lower turnout for the runoff or if that idiot really was the second choice of a lot of otherwise reasonable people.
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