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Old 02-04-2016, 08:23 PM   #811
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Taxes should be set at a rate to maximize revenue to the government. The peak of the bell curve. Tax too little, you get less... Tax too much you hamper growth and get less. If you're the government you want to give the people some upward mobility to expand your taxable base in future years. The idea of punitive taxation for the sake of fairness doesn't help the bottom line. While we're at it, let's get rid of the income tax brackets. Make it a percentage scale per thousand earned. That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.


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Old 02-04-2016, 08:27 PM   #812
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Taxes should be set at a rate to maximize revenue to the government.
Not really. The actual optimal rate of taxation is the one that does not influence decision-making of the taxpayer, whether that be an individual or a corporation.
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Old 02-04-2016, 09:46 PM   #813
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So ... Got in late and flipped on MSNBC and watching the debate, and I could be wrong, but seems like she's wiping the floor with him. It's like he's running on his issue (income inequality) and she's running president. He's criticizing, and she's proposing ideas.

In the way that I suspect Trump is a troll, I suspect that Sanders in no way expects to win.
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Sanders definitely never expected to win at any point during this campaign.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:48 PM   #815
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Larry David is hosting SNL this weekend. It's gonna be him doing Bernie almost the whole show.


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Old 02-04-2016, 11:42 PM   #816
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other than New Hampshire, what state(s) do you see Sanders winning?
Only Vermont if you're looking at things from inside of a bubble...but there's totally a bandwagon effect from winning states along with weeks in between the various primaries that give Sanders extra time to catch Clinton (just as he's gained ground on her almost constantly since he began this campaign).

He's going to win New Hampshire which could very well lead to a Nevada victory which could very well lead to a respectable South Carolina loss and so forth...

The big question is: where does Sanders stand in national polls on Super Tuesday? If he's anywhere close to Clinton, we have a race on our hands. If he trails her by more than, say, ten points, it's probably over with.
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other than New Hampshire, what state(s) do you see Sanders winning?

New England states. States with young transient populations Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado.

Everything could be thrown into flux if the Democratic voters question Hillarys electability if the Scandal clouds continue to build around her.


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That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.


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THATS NOT HOW MARGINAL TAXES WORK. You're maybe the third person I've seen in the past week who has repeated the myth that if you make more income and get bumped up into a higher tax bracket you end up losing money. No, that doesn't happen. You pay the higher tax rate on income that's above the threshold. So your first $20000 or whatever is taxed at whatever percent and then any income on top of that is taxed at a higher rate and so on and so on. Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?


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Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?


The most effective way to make sure you pay less tax is to earn less money.
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Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?
No.

How many times have we read here that somebody's "buddy" chose not to work more because working more put him in the higher bracket?
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Gawd forbid you gotta pay a higher rate on that extra $100 you make.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:26 AM   #822
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So ... Got in late and flipped on MSNBC and watching the debate, and I could be wrong, but seems like she's wiping the floor with him.
She is a really solid debater and I think she won but I also think you are a bit biased on this issue and it is showing here.

I have a lot of issues with Hillary (I'd still vote for her as a matter of disclaimer), and one of them is that she really does come across as a massive liar on a number of fronts, the e-mail one being the best example.

And no, I don't think Bernie is electable, nor do I think he thinks he is. I think his true value is to bring to the forefront some hard truths that should be debated even if, as a matter of policy, they may be 100 years away.
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I'd hardly call anything Hilary has done in a debate as "wiping the floor with him" in regards to Sanders.

It all depends upon the viewer, though. It's so easy to see through her Botox and bullshit fake smile scripted words. She's the least genuine candidate, behind Donald Trump.
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That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.
That's just bullshit.

While it's shocking sometimes just how much money gets taken out of your check when you cross into the higher tax brackets, and how little of that big raise you actually take home... You still take home more money after getting the raise. Period. Anyone who says otherwise is either misinformed and/or lying.
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That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.
I'm starting to understand why you're a Republican.
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