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Old 02-02-2016, 06:52 AM   #676
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Oh and Cobbler, if you want a for-dummies rundown of primary vs caucus in the US meaning, guess what I bumped into while Googling to confirm my memory that King O'Malley introduced the term "caucus" to Australia:

What Is the Difference between a Primary Election and a Caucus? - For Dummies
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Well he's not so much a socialist, as a democratic socialist (if that). After 2008, I'm amazed someone like him isn't doing even better than he is. America might, stereotypically, run scared at the S word, but come on. There is unfinished business. And there is a native populist tradition, that isn't wholly owned by the Right.
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Got more questions I'll ask tomorrow. Bed time now. Thanks Ax and all!

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Well he's not so much a socialist, as a democratic socialist (if that). After 2008, I'm amazed someone like him isn't doing even better than he is. America might, stereotypically, run scared at the S word, but come on. There is unfinished business. And there is a native populist tradition, that isn't wholly owned by the Right.
Hmm, maybe it's because I've been so entertained/interested in the GOP race, I'm just surprised, because it seems like such a dirty word, socialism. Like, I think it's fair to say that most left-wing politicians with a chance of office try to distance themselves from the term to appeal to centre/swing voters.
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And before I turn in for the night, here's something for the American posters - an introduction to one of your more colourful ex-pats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_O'Malley

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Landing at Port Alma [in Queensland], O'Malley [who was ill with tuberculosis] apparently took up residence in a cave at Emu Park, where he befriended an aborigine, Coowonga, who cared for him until he recovered. Once healthy, O'Malley decided to walk the 2,100 km from Emu Park to Adelaide in South Australia, arriving in 1893. In South Australia he again worked as an itinerant insurance salesman, also preaching evangelical Christianity and temperance.

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O'Malley's narrow win in 1896 has been credited to his popularity among religious leaders and conservatives for his extreme puritan views, but it seems his popularity with women voters was a bigger factor. Women were much taken by his appearance and O'Malley's "oratorial buffoonery" was the popular topic of discussion throughout South Australia. He called hotels "drunkeries", alcohol was "stagger juice", opponents were "diabolical rapscallions" and he referred to himself as the "bald headed Eagle from the Rocky Mountains".

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O'Malley became Minister for Home Affairs, and played a prominent role in selecting the site of the future capital of Australia, Canberra. He declared American architect Walter Burley Griffin winner of the town planning competition. On 20 February 1913, O'Malley drove in the first peg marking the start of the development of the city. He was also present at the ceremony for the naming of Canberra on 12 March 1913.

As a teetotaller he was responsible for the highly unpopular ban on alcohol in the Australian Capital Territory. He could also claim credit for beginning the building of the Trans-Australian Railway from Port Augusta to Perth.

O'Malley also agitated for the establishment of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, a state-owned savings and investment bank although, contrary to his later claims, he was not the bank's sole creator.

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O'Malley's other legacy was the spelling of "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party's title in the American style. He was a spelling reform enthusiast and persuaded the party that "Labor" was a more "modern" spelling than "Labour". Although the American spelling has still not become established in Australia, the Labor Party has preserved the spelling.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:08 AM   #680
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- Are the Democrats in a better place than the Republicans? (kinda hard question to answer given everyone will be biased.)
that's like ultimate question that US is trying to answer over 200 years.
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And before I turn in for the night, here's something for the American posters - an introduction to one of your more colourful ex-pats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_O'Malley
Remind me to look at this again tomorrow. Fuck that's funny.

Though - and I'm kind of serious when I say this - the ALP not going back to including the 'u' makes me hate them and never want to vote for them again. It is extremely annoying and I hate writing it.
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There's one virtue to Labor keeping out the 'u'; nobody is ever in any doubt about what country or what party you're discussing. I mean, it's obviously not UK Labour.
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Is King O'Malley related to Martin?
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And there are worse things a movement could retain in the name of modernity. Hello, eugenics.
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Yes, yes he is.
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I'm sure he is. I haven't really looked into him because I've just been put off by the look of him, which is dumb, I know. But I just can't shake this feeling that I have that it comes off disingenuous. You like him?
I'm not a great fan although I acknowledge that he is the furthest left a prominent presidential hopeful can realistically get at this point in time.

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Also, (and I'm coming from a state of ignorance about him here) but people say that the Bern is A SOCIALIST, so I'm a little surprised he's done so well? I'd have thought his ~extremism~ would have counted him out a long time ago? Again, ignorant, but I'm surprised there's a large enough groundswell supporting him.
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Well he's not so much a socialist, as a democratic socialist (if that). After 2008, I'm amazed someone like him isn't doing even better than he is. America might, stereotypically, run scared at the S word, but come on. There is unfinished business. And there is a native populist tradition, that isn't wholly owned by the Right.
He's a fairly standard social democrat who'd fit quite comfortably on the left faction of the Labor party here.

He might seem an extremist relative to the others, but it's more so the mainstream's gradual drift to the right.
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Did you read the article I posted? Thoughts?
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And before I turn in for the night, here's something for the American posters - an introduction to one of your more colourful ex-pats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_O'Malley
The most amazing thing about him being that he's still alive and just dropped out of the presidential race after getting less than one percent in the Iowa democratic caucus.
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As we've seen in here; both extremes have folks living in a bubble. The Trump bubble was burst last night. The Sanders bubble I think still has enough to cling onto.

My prediction: Trump will lose another state, throw a tantrum and drop out. His minions will whine "media bias", stay home, and as many have said hand Clinton an easy victory.


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Did you read the article I posted? Thoughts?
I generally agreed with it. There are several topics on which Sanders is particularly poor at.
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