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Old 02-02-2016, 12:46 AM   #646
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So how's that Trump bandwagon looking now? How do you like them apples?
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:06 AM   #647
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98% of precincts are in. 689 delegates to 686 to 8 (for O'Malley). Looks like Clinton might have this, but it's possible an error or two could occur and Sanders squeaks by in a few days when the final results are published (as did Santorum over Romney weeks after the fact last time).
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I didnt expect that Bernie and Hilary will be this close.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:25 AM   #649
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99.2% of precincts are in. Sanders trails by two statewide delegates. O'Malley's eight certainly would have come in handy...not to mention those countywide ones that Sanders lost via coin flip...
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So at least five districts awarded a delegate with a coin toss. In all five, Clinton won.

Clearly this is proof that the moneyed interests are unequivocally hostile to Bernie.
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So at least five districts awarded a delegate with a coin toss. In all five, Clinton won.

Clearly this is proof that the moneyed interests are unequivocally hostile to Bernie.
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So at least five districts . In all five, Clinton won.

Clearly this is proof that the moneyed interests are unequivocally hostile to Bernie.
well this is best and yet most ironic joke ever
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So how's that Trump bandwagon looking now? How do you like them apples?
In decent shape. Iowa is a shit state to project other outcomes from.



How do you think he will do in the next two primaries?
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It suggests (but does not yet confirm) that the polling data re: Trump is a mirage. He's polling way ahead in NH, but whether that data will be reflected is very much up in the air. It certainly didn't work out in Iowa, where he had a 5 point lead going in.
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Okay, so trying to make sense of American politics is fucked. So I'm going to ask a bunch of questions that I hope someone can answer me without a huge deal of snark.

- I feel like this campaign has been going for fucking ever. Why the FUCK is an election that won't take place until November starting like 18+ months out. What the fuck. (And side Q, how the fuck can people expect Obama to get shit done/be good when this fucking circus is going on.)
- Are the Democrats in a better place than the Republicans? (kinda hard question to answer given everyone will be biased.) Like the Republican race is 10000000x more interesting and entertaining than the Democratic race, but is that a good thing for the Dems? That it's between two of them instead of five or seven or ten like the GOP?
- What is the difference between the last 12 months and today? Why was today so special?
- What the fuck is a caucus?
- What is a delegate?
- Why is Iowa, a state that I had never given thought to in 25-and-a-half years of existence, the most important fucking thing in the world? Why has Trump et al been banging on constantly about Iowa for fucking months?
- Does every single state get a 'caucus'? How are they going to pack 49 more of these things in? Is it always the same order? If so, why, and how did they arrive at said order
- Who votes in a caucus? And what are they voting for? Are these 1,000 or whatever people registered members of either the Dems or the GOP? (And they are voting for the nominee they want to go up in the final election?) Do you have to be registered as a member of one of them to vote in the final presidential election? (If so, isn't that completely fucked up?) Or can you just go and vote on election day if you want to?
- Why do people like Ted Cruz? He is the slimiest looking motherfucker I have ever seen and I'd probably vote for Trump over him for that reason
- Does Trump actually want to be president? Would he even like it? Surely this is just all a show for his ego?
- HOW IN THE NAME OF FUCK CAN A COIN TOSS DECIDE A NOMINEE FOR A CAUCUS. THAT IS SUPREMELY FUCKED UP. SERIOUSLY, SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. IT SEEMS FUCKING INSANE.
- Why do people like Bernie Sanders? I have a hard time getting behind him because every time I see him he just looks an angry old white dude yelling at a cloud. He could drop dead at any moment. It feels a little disingenuous to me, although all that's my prejudices, not his fault. (On this note, it kinda relates to this Azealia Banks tweet that I thought was pretty fucking good - she started a long series of tweets by saying she thinks she'll vote for Trump - I was all ready to be outraged but her series of tweets that followed were kinda hard to argue with)
- Hilary seems a bit slimy, too. I really like Obama.
- On that note, why is it that your system only allows two terms of government? If one president does a real fucking good job (not saying that's Obama, just being hypothetical) wouldn't it suck to replace him/her with someone less good because you have to?

And, finally,

- What happens from now until election day?
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In decent shape. Iowa is a shit state to project other outcomes from.



How do you think he will do in the next two primaries?

I don't know, and I don't particularly care. But there's a little thing called Joementum, and when it's gone, it's gone.
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Old 02-02-2016, 05:40 AM   #658
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Okay, so trying to make sense of American politics is fucked. So I'm going to ask a bunch of questions that I hope someone can answer me without a huge deal of snark.

- I feel like this campaign has been going for fucking ever. Why the FUCK is an election that won't take place until November starting like 18+ months out. What the fuck. (And side Q, how the fuck can people expect Obama to get shit done/be good when this fucking circus is going on.)
- Are the Democrats in a better place than the Republicans? (kinda hard question to answer given everyone will be biased.) Like the Republican race is 10000000x more interesting and entertaining than the Democratic race, but is that a good thing for the Dems? That it's between two of them instead of five or seven or ten like the GOP?
- What is the difference between the last 12 months and today? Why was today so special?
- What the fuck is a caucus?
- What is a delegate?
- Why is Iowa, a state that I had never given thought to in 25-and-a-half years of existence, the most important fucking thing in the world? Why has Trump et al been banging on constantly about Iowa for fucking months?
- Does every single state get a 'caucus'? How are they going to pack 49 more of these things in? Is it always the same order? If so, why, and how did they arrive at said order
- Who votes in a caucus? And what are they voting for? Are these 1,000 or whatever people registered members of either the Dems or the GOP? (And they are voting for the nominee they want to go up in the final election?) Do you have to be registered as a member of one of them to vote in the final presidential election? (If so, isn't that completely fucked up?) Or can you just go and vote on election day if you want to?
- Why do people like Ted Cruz? He is the slimiest looking motherfucker I have ever seen and I'd probably vote for Trump over him for that reason
- Does Trump actually want to be president? Would he even like it? Surely this is just all a show for his ego?
- HOW IN THE NAME OF FUCK CAN A COIN TOSS DECIDE A NOMINEE FOR A CAUCUS. THAT IS SUPREMELY FUCKED UP. SERIOUSLY, SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. IT SEEMS FUCKING INSANE.
- Why do people like Bernie Sanders? I have a hard time getting behind him because every time I see him he just looks an angry old white dude yelling at a cloud. He could drop dead at any moment. It feels a little disingenuous to me, although all that's my prejudices, not his fault. (On this note, it kinda relates to this Azealia Banks tweet that I thought was pretty fucking good - she started a long series of tweets by saying she thinks she'll vote for Trump - I was all ready to be outraged but her series of tweets that followed were kinda hard to argue with)
- Hilary seems a bit slimy, too. I really like Obama.
- On that note, why is it that your system only allows two terms of government? If one president does a real fucking good job (not saying that's Obama, just being hypothetical) wouldn't it suck to replace him/her with someone less good because you have to?

And, finally,

- What happens from now until election day?
I can only really half-address one of your points, re. Bernie Sanders. You might have a warped idea about older folks in general, I mean, I don't know the guy, but from what I've seen of him, I'm more likely to drop dead at any moment than he is. 74 is not 90.
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Old 02-02-2016, 05:40 AM   #659
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well its the first PRIMARY election and that's why Iowa is decently important. it's not like it's the most important thing.

I think Republican races are interesting because they are manufacturing gossips and events mainly because Donald Trump is pro at this. Dem debate are slightly more somber because they need to contrast against Republican debate.

Bernie Sanders is liked because he promised that he will do something to fix wage gaps and disappearing middle classes. I mean, what's not to like about that? It makes no sense to me that at this point people are not trying to close wage gaps or anything to do with rich-poor difference. He also promises to invest on education (free tuition, etc), improve health care, promote paid maternity/paternity leave.


Well I guess I just made this to my weird promotion for my far-liberal ideas, didn't I?


 
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Oh, cobl4, I just realised I can answer another of your questions, and a non american to boot. Two term limit - happened because of Roosevelt. He was in office for a whopping 13 years, truncated by ill health and death. His Democratic coalition controlled government for a good deal longer. I guess there was a desire to not lock in that precedent, or whatever (although what they never tell you is, it's consecutive terms. If he was silly enough, Bill Clinton could legally run for president now.)
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