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Old 02-01-2016, 10:00 PM   #616
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The better he does here, a state that he didn't put a ton of effort into, the more the pressure will be on the other more mainstream candidates to drop out and throw all the support behind Marco.

And then our long national Trumpmare shall be over.
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Meanwhile, looks like Iowa is essentially a tie for the Democrats. Ugh.
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Shockingly enough, Trump is underperforming in relation to his poll numbers.
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Cruz 27.9
Trump 24.4
Rubio 22.7.
Rubio could very realistically jump to second. Looks like Cruz will win this.


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Rubio within a percentage point of second place at 97% reporting. Most of the votes left are in strong Rubio territory.

Cruz looks to take it. Trump may drop to third, which would be uuuuuuuge
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Rubio within a percentage point of second place at 97% reporting. Most of the votes left are in strong Rubio territory.

Cruz looks to take it. Trump may drop to third, which would be uuuuuuuge
God, please let this happen.
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The GOP will be knocking on Jeb and Christie's doors in the morning
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Clinton hanging on by less than a percentage point
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I hope you do. I am looking for more information because I really haven't decided yet who I would vote for if my primary vote counted.

I don't think you're voting for Sanders out of a desire for political attrition warfare that only ends when the olds die off.
I forgot to respond to this.

Because it is relatively easy (and admittedly somewhat appropriate) to dismiss Bernie Sanders as an unrealistic candidate in a general election, the natural next step is to view Hillary Clinton as the more centrist candidate who can work with both sides and continue the gradual progress made by Barack Obama over the last eight years. However, taking everything about Clinton in and declaring her a center-left, responsible governor is an extremely generous way to look at her.

You are absolutely right about the nomination of the Supreme Court justices being an important part of the executive branch, which is why I will support the Democratic nominee whether it is Clinton or Sanders.

But I worry about Clinton's relationship with Wall Street, her relationship with her big donors (whether to her campaign or to the Clinton Foundation), and that those relationships will have her dabbling in neoliberalism. I worry about her foreign policy. To wit, I worry that the many ridiculous criticisms of her for being a woman or a liberal or the wife of Bill or desperate to appeal to youths (though that last one is exhausting) are going to wash away the legitimate criticisms of her as a beneficiary and supporter of cronyism in politics.

As I have gotten older, I have only really learned how little I truly understand about politics, especially economics. And I want to be clear: both Clinton and Sanders leave me very anxious for this upcoming election. Sanders will make me worry that he'll lose. Clinton will make me worry that the center will continue to move to the right.
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Did I hear something about a caucus?

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No way. Her relationship with Wall Street is of concern, but you also have to realize she represents an end of an era. The end of that generation, and the end(at least current) of the big political families. Once the boomer generation fizzles the right, as we know it, will die.


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Oh please let Trump slip to third. That would be hilarious.

Can't believe how agonisingly tight the Democratic polling is. Obviously there was a chance it would be close, but damnit a tight vote and being an election junkie make for an unproductive day at work.
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. IV

How close is this race going to get? This is going to be an interesting primary season.
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Rubio was averaging about 15% behind Trump in polls.

Polls = garbage
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Where has the most up-to-date figures? I'm following the Guardian at the moment and they have Sanders just .2% behind Clinton. Wow.

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Rubio was averaging about 15% behind Trump in polls.

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