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Old 12-11-2015, 04:15 PM   #901
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And let's also not forget the other Republican candidates, behaving like they are beacons of enlightenment when most of them hold thoroughly repugnant views themselves.
This is a good point.
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I also find it kind of hilarious that everyone is demonizing Trump. Sure, he is a giant troll and asshole, but more concerning are the millions of people ready to vote for him. And let's also not forget the other Republican candidates, behaving like they are beacons of enlightenment when most of them hold thoroughly repugnant views themselves.
I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:46 PM   #903
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I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.
Hmmm, Vlad. Hmmmm....

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I'll find the Democratic primaries much more interesting than the Republican ones. Yeah yeah, probably Hillary... but it's not as though Bernie Sanders is gone just yet.

I still remember 2004 when John Kerry ended up remortgaging his own house at one point, so hard pressed was he against the Dean insurgency. People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.

The trouble is, Americans - through no fault of their own except their historical institutional inheritance - keep electing a monarch every four years. And in the way of monarchs, these heads of state have great power to wage war abroad, and not much control at all over local matters that the petty barons claim for their own.
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People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.
I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.
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I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.
I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.

But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.
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I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.



But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.

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I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.

But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.
I'd probably also add the celebrity pull aspect of her candidacy. It feels like every day that she's got a new liberal celebrity fan, and knowing how she really is, everything about it just makes me feel endlessly uneasy.
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I'll find the Democratic primaries much more interesting than the Republican ones. Yeah yeah, probably Hillary... but it's not as though Bernie Sanders is gone just yet.

I still remember 2004 when John Kerry ended up remortgaging his own house at one point, so hard pressed was he against the Dean insurgency. People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.

The trouble is, Americans - through no fault of their own except their historical institutional inheritance - keep electing a monarch every four years. And in the way of monarchs, these heads of state have great power to wage war abroad, and not much control at all over local matters that the petty barons claim for their own.
Kerry was the wealthiest person in the Senate. Doubt he was ever hard up at all.
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Kerry was the wealthiest person in the Senate. Doubt he was ever hard up at all.
Theresa Heinz Kerry was loaded from the Heinz Corporation.
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Yes from her dead previous husband
But Kerry had family money of his own. Wouldn't have needed a refi.
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Yes from her dead previous husband
But Kerry had family money of his own. Wouldn't have needed a refi.

If he had a fair amount of money in his house, and he wanted to put money into his campaign, it could make sense to take out a low-interest loan on the home instead of pulling cash out of relatively high-yielding stock investments, which is probably where most of his free assets were.


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I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.

Cuz it was fuckin weird


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It was an enthusiastic yell. A silly sounding one, sure, but certainly a hell of a lot less bizarre and weird than some of the other stuff politicians have said and done over the years. I mean, we had a term called "Bushism" for all the kooky stuff Bush Jr. said and yet that didn't stop people from electing HIM to a second term, so...

(And mind, I pretty much only know about Dean from that whole thing and a couple random interviews here and there from years past. But still. Just saying, being weird hasn't stopped other politicians from going far in a campaign.)
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I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.
Agreed. That still depresses me to think about to this day.
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