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Old 12-10-2015, 03:31 AM   #871
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For fuck's sake, people really need to quit pulling out the "PC culture" complaint whenever people call out offensive speech.

Huckabee makes deeply ignorant and offensive "jokes" about transgender people in bathrooms.

So I read that joke. I get what he said. Wasn't particularly funny, but it's not the "doomsday" statement you make it out to be. Is it considered heteronormative, patriarchal, maybe some new buzz word? I can't keep track anymore.

This is a prime example of why Americans have to walk on eggshells. Anything and Everything can be construed as offensive. This is The PC Culture I reference.

This country is not a Liberal Arts College.

This election won't be decided on gender identity. People are going to vote based on what they see every other Friday in their bank account and if they feel safe at home and at work.

Progressives never discriminate against anybody, under any circumstances, or ever state that anybody's ideas or worldview are wrong, except for those who disagree with progressivism.


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Old 12-10-2015, 03:44 AM   #872
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This country is not a Liberal Arts College.
More's the pity. Much of your country could use the education.

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if they feel safe at home and at work.
And, as it happens, they would be safer if they stopped electing xenophobic warmongers.

But hey, if you think being a global pariah is cool, keep electing crazy, hate-filled, bigoted extremists. I'm sure that'll go well.
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So I read that joke. I get what he said. Wasn't particularly funny, but it's not the "doomsday" statement you make it out to be. Is it considered heteronormative, patriarchal, maybe some new buzz word? I can't keep track anymore.
I don't use those buzz terms when crafting my arguments, so you're talking to the wrong person with that.

And really? You get what he said there? There was nothing TO get. The point he was trying to make made no sense and further fed some people's beliefs that somehow people will "pretend" to be transgender as a means of sneaking into a bathroom and getting all perverted or some such nonsense like that.

And it shows a complete ignorance and lack of understanding of what being a transgendered person actually is, which, again, does not help-a lot of voters already have a lot of nasty misconceptions about transgendered people. "Jokes" like Huckabee's don't help.

The joke was also really creepy, because he said something about how he would've "pretended to be a girl" to get into locker rooms in school. Which, ew.

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This is a prime example of why Americans have to walk on eggshells. Anything and Everything can be construed as offensive. This is The PC Culture I reference.
Oh, get over it. You can say whatever pops into your head, but be prepared to be called out on it if it mocks or degrades an entire group of people who are already struggling with enough discrimination and ignorance from people who don't understand them as it is. There is no need to make fun of transgendered people or turn them into some sort of scare tactic for your policies. There is no reason to call Mexicans as a whole rapists. There is no reason to say that Muslims are all terrorist sympathizers.

Also, I find it really laughable when conservatives whine about people being easily offended. "War on Christmas", anyone? "Christian values under attack"? Someone makes a joke about Christians on TV and the right has a hissy fit. Oh, no, a nativity scene isn't going up, THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END! "God is being taken out of schools, that's why things are falling apart." And so on and so on.

Yeah. Don't even try to deny you guys don't do the same thing.

(For the record, I don't think mocking Christians simply for being Christian is a good thing. I'm not offended by nativity scenes being put up in people's yards or downtown. I'm just giving a few examples for comparison.)

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This country is not a Liberal Arts College.

This election won't be decided on gender identity. People are going to vote based on what they see every other Friday in their bank account and if they feel safe at home and at work.
If that's the case, then they should be supporting things like gun control or raising the minimum wage.

And no, gender identity may not be THE big issue in this election. But that is an issue that will come up in politics at some point, if not on the federal level then certainly on a state or local one. And it'd be nice to know we have politicians in office who treat transgendered people with the respect and dignity they deserve, instead of mock them and reinforce stereotypes and other ignorant beliefs about them.

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Progressives never discriminate against anybody, under any circumstances, or ever state that anybody's ideas or worldview are wrong, except for those who disagree with progressivism.
Yeah, no. We have a problem with ignorance and flat out stupidity, and I would hope and think any conservative worth their salt would feel the same way. That has nothing to do with "progressivism" or "liberalism" or whatever other thing you want to spout (hey, by the way, I thought you had a problem with people using "-ism"s to describe things they didn't like). Like I said above, it has to do with being a decent human being. Not mocking or discriminating against people because of their race or ethnicity or sexual orientation or gender identity or religion is a GOOD thing.
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Progressives think Conservatives are batshit crazy

Conservatives think Progressives are batshit crazy

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There's a big difference though. I'm not the one falling for erroneous and conspiracy lead websites, I'm not the one tweeting stats designed by a hate group, I'm not the one attacking science as a whole, I'm not the one defending grain silos, I'm not the one accusing you or your candidate of being born somewhere or being a religion that he/she is not.

One side has chosen to actively ignore provable facts. One side can have an egg placed in their hand, but will seek out the website that tells them it's an apple.


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We're such a hateful mean country, right? Progressives are worried about about a "Muslim backlash". These are the 2013 FBI hate crime stats of a religious nature. This adds up to 184 incidents of hate crimes against Muslims in a country of 330,000,000 million. Meanwhile the Jews take the brunt of hate crimes in the US


Of the 1,140 victims of anti-religious hate crimes:

56.8 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.

16.1 percent were victims of anti-Islamic (Muslim) biashate crime

6.2 percent were victims of bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).

6.1 percent were victims of anti-Catholic bias.

2.5 percent were victims of anti-Protestant bias.

1.2 percent were victims of anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.

11.0 percent were victims of bias against other religions (anti-other religion). (Based on Table 1.)


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What exactly was the point of this scarecrow?


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These are the 2013 FBI hate crime stats of a religious nature. [snip]


Of the 1,140 victims of anti-religious hate crimes:

56.8 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Jewish bias.

16.1 percent were victims of anti-Islamic (Muslim) biashate crime

6.2 percent were victims of bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).

6.1 percent were victims of anti-Catholic bias.

2.5 percent were victims of anti-Protestant bias.

1.2 percent were victims of anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.

11.0 percent were victims of bias against other religions (anti-other religion). (Based on Table 1.)
Note that these statistics are from 2013, well before the presidential campaigns swung into full gear. Also, notice how you downplay that Muslims are the second most attacked group.

Meanwhile, in the present day, law enforcement agencies around the nation have noted a dramatic increase in anti-Muslim attacks/threats/defacement of property, etc. All of it being fueled in large part by the unhinged, fear-based paranoia being spewed by nearly all of the Republican presidential candidates.
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Everybody. It's a discussion forum about the election. I enjoy talking with several posters on here who seem to understand that it is more fun to talk about the horse race and view it as a sport. Talk policy differences and such.

But for many other posters, this place is a dumping ground for all your huff post whipped up grievances and anger.

Moonlit - You're proving my point about progressives. Every worldview is applauded except those from those in opposition to progressivism (yes I used that term, because classical liberalism would allow for open dialogue and not shut it down because they think the other side is a phobe). You're going right to the Lefty playbook. Pick a target, isolate it, label it, mock it, rinse, wash, repeat.

Glad you brought up issues to debate. 15 dollar min wage. My view, if enacted in a locale businesses will simply leave hurting those employees designed to help in the first place. They can't afford it. Congress, states should enact a graduated raise percentage that goes up every year.

Gun control. Tough to write a whole dissertation in a single reply. I'm assuming you want more control rather than less. Are you ok with some guns over others? What restrictions do you want? Get back to me on that and I'll debate a single point.

Here are a couple of issues I'd like to get opinions on.

- are the purpose of taxes to bring in the maximum amount of revenue to the government or to be based on an arbitrary standard that may satisfy a fair share argument ?

- Should the death tax be abolished ? You've paid taxes your entire life why should be forced to cough up more once you're gone leaving less for your family ?


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Meanwhile, in the present day, law enforcement agencies around the nation have noted a dramatic increase in anti-Muslim attacks/threats/defacement of property, etc. All of it being fueled in large part by the unhinged, fear-based paranoia being spewed by nearly all of the Republican presidential candidates.

Can you source that. ( I can ask too) Or is that your working hypothesis?


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I don't want to talk about this like it's fun. Conservatism isn't fun anymore. It ceased being fun a long time ago. It's killing the country.

Conservatives think progressives are batshit crazy? Well they're fucking wrong. Everyone knows it but them. Axver's right, American politics are a global punchline almost entirely because of the right, not the left. The GOP is objectively much worse than the Democratic Party.
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Everybody. It's a discussion forum about the election. I enjoy talking with several posters on here who seem to understand that it is more fun to talk about the horse race and view it as a sport. Talk policy differences and such.
How the hell can anyone view this is a sport when innocent people are literally dying or their lives are becoming a nightmare because of discriminatory and racist rhetoric from one side? Seriously. Why is this so hard to grasp?
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You're going right to the Lefty playbook. Pick a target, isolate it, label it, mock it, rinse, repeat.
I love how this has become a go to conservative argument, completely oblivious to the irony. Have you been paying attention to Trump's campaign? I mean really?!

For someone who lectures others on original ideas this is embarrassing.

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Oh I'm sorry are you referring to that time I posted that obviously biased blog trying to discredit Snopes because it pointed out facts that disproved my beliefs, or that awful poll of Muslims created by a known conspiracy theorist? Yeah, I'm sor....
Oh wait, that wasn't me.

When you see me make posts that show I'm not doing my research or thinking for myself then call me out, until then don't talk to me about original ideas.



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Can you source that. ( I can ask too) Or is that your working hypothesis?


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This doesn't directly address current, but it does explain that the (apparently) low number of hate crimes is misleading because a vast majority of hate crimes go unreported.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...in-high-levels

Here are some more current examples:
https://www.rt.com/usa/323148-muslim...lence-america/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ef3_story.html

Vandalized Mosques, Threats of Violence—Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes on the Rise | Mother Jones

A choice quote from the above link:

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Based on the latest FBI hate crime figures, these incidents are on the rise. The most recent FBI data, released last Monday, indicates that hate crimes based on race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, or sexual orientation have dropped across the board—with the exception of crimes against Muslim Americans. In 2014, even as the total number of hate crimes dipped nearly 8 percent from the year before, anti-Muslim hate crimes rose 14 percent.
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They didn't charge a hate crime down the street from me because the penalty was less than that for assault. Google 'Coon Rapids Applebee's' if interested in the horrid details.

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