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Old 12-01-2015, 06:36 PM   #676
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For GOP primary voters Trump is the candidate they have been waiting for. McCain and Romney were products of the establishment and refused to take the gloves off so to speak. Trump is the exact opposite (seeming at times almost to his detriment. I know many in here have attached (insert)-phobe, (insert)-ist to him and his followers over the past couple weeks. I'll admit that re-tweet was a bonehead move.)
Nonetheless, he has a Teflon effect, by remaining aggressive when challenged by the media or other candidates, these controversies seem to fade into the background. That's what is frustrated the GOP establishment so much. He is committing gaffes and exaggerations on his own and its still not dropping his numbers.

My theory is that many voters see the entire government establishment as one huge "gaffe" that needs a giant bitch-slap. They see in Trump the vehicle to do this and as a bonus befuddle the media as well (who they don't trust according to polling).
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:15 PM   #677
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All of the batshit craziness aside, i do think TRUMP! could get the nomination, and then possibly win it all. I am not sure i felt that way when he first jumped into the race. Early this spring i felt that Hillary was unstoppable, and while that may or may not still be the case, she has showed some vulnerabilities. Still a long way to go even though its less than a year out now. Time flies..
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The thought of Trumpy getting the nomination makes me want to vomit in terror.
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Donald Trump is like if a comments section suddenly became a sentient being and ran for president.
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All of the batshit craziness aside, i do think TRUMP! could get the nomination, and then possibly win it all. I am not sure i felt that way when he first jumped into the race. Early this spring i felt that Hillary was unstoppable, and while that may or may not still be the case, she has showed some vulnerabilities. Still a long way to go even though its less than a year out now. Time flies..
If Trump did get the nomination versus Hillary there would be interesting dynamics.

- Which is the greater undecided sentiment? "Trump is batshit crazy, I'll never vote for him" "All these years I have despised Hillary, I'll never vote for her"

- Trump gains, Hillary alienates white working class male voters (Independents, Blue Collar (Reagan) Democrats) Plus Trump for PA, OH, IA

- Trump loses Hispanic votes. Plus Hillary for VA, CO, FL (but Cubans go GOP)

- Hillary underperforming with Millennials (under 35) in current Dem Primary. While Trump's strongest age group is Millennials in current polling for GOP Primary. In general election Millennials have skewed Dem big time with Obama. Will Sanders's eventual defeat dampen turnout among Millennials for Clinton? Will the celebrity-obsessed culture of younger folks cause them to give Trump a second look?

- How much does Clinton attach herself to Obama? Does she present herself as a third term policy wise?

- Will Trump gain more Conservatives that sat out McCain & Romney or cause more Republicans to stay home because they don't view him as a real member of the party ?

- Will Trump generate an unforgivable gaffe?

- FBI Director Comey seems to be plowing full steam ahead in Hillary's investigation. What more damage can this cause Hillary?

- What role will unforeseen events play? More terrorist attacks? Economic woes?
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Old 12-01-2015, 09:28 PM   #682
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For GOP primary voters Trump is the candidate they have been waiting for. McCain and Romney were products of the establishment and refused to take the gloves off so to speak. Trump is the exact opposite (seeming at times almost to his detriment. I know many in here have attached (insert)-phobe, (insert)-ist to him and his followers over the past couple weeks. I'll admit that re-tweet was a bonehead move.)
Nonetheless, he has a Teflon effect, by remaining aggressive when challenged by the media or other candidates, these controversies seem to fade into the background. That's what is frustrated the GOP establishment so much. He is committing gaffes and exaggerations on his own and its still not dropping his numbers.

My theory is that many voters see the entire government establishment as one huge "gaffe" that needs a giant bitch-slap. They see in Trump the vehicle to do this and as a bonus befuddle the media as well (who they don't trust according to polling).

I think he's proving who the "base" really is, of course the establishment is worried about that. They've been trying to deny for decades that they depend on the bigots of this country.

And don't kid yourself and act like its hyperbole and that WE are attaching these descriptions to him. If you can't see it, you're part of the problem. And I honestly don't think you are, I just think you're willfully turning your head.


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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

You're an accusist and a labelist, BVS. And a truthophobe.
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Old 12-01-2015, 10:15 PM   #684
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Hillary would crush Trump. Crush.

No person of color would vote for Trump (in any statistically significant way). In fact, he'd do as good a job turning out the Dem base as the first black president did.

You can't win on whites alone.
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Can you just imagine President Trump?

Stop for a moment and think about it. Really think about it.






Yep. That'll happen.
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Old 12-01-2015, 11:46 PM   #686
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I can't imagine a President Hillary Clinton
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No one could imagine a President Barack Hussein Obama.
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Donald Trump is like if a comments section suddenly became a sentient being and ran for president.
Someone on Larry Wilmore's show said a similar thing tonight . Pretty much sums it up.

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For GOP primary voters Trump is the candidate they have been waiting for. McCain and Romney were products of the establishment and refused to take the gloves off so to speak.
Yeeeeeeeah, except here's the problem with that analysis: there's a vast difference between being just plain honest, and being an obnoxious, ignorant bully. Trump is not "telling it like it is" or "taking off the gloves", he's spreading flat out lies and misinformation. He's saying incredibly, deeply insulting things about women, about black people, about Mexicans...and then there was that disabled reporter thing that happened just recently, too. He's all bluster and no substance. If anyone honestly believes he'd actually get anything of any importance done as president, I have a bridge in Florida I'll be happy to sell them.

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I know many in here have attached (insert)-phobe, (insert)-ist to him and his followers over the past couple weeks.
He's happily attaching those "phobe"/"ist" descriptions all on his own through his words and actions. We're not calling him those sorts of things just for the hell of it, you know.

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I'll admit that re-tweet was a bonehead move.)
Oh, how generous. 99.99999999% of what Trump's said and done can be classified as boneheaded moves.

If I wake up on election day next year and find out Trump is actually going to be our next president, well...Canada's always sounded like a lovely country.
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No one could imagine a President Barack Hussein Obama.

After watching his convention speech in 2004, I said "Wow, this guy is going to run for President someday"

It was a great speech. Then you guys had Kerry come out "I'm Reporting for Duty"

It was like U2 opening for J Geils Band (which they actually did in the early-80s)


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