2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

[Mrs. Garrison]

Now this is good stuff

Fired Walker Aide Explains Why Walker Bid Failed

 

[Irvine511]

Rubio wins. He beats out Bush with Cruz doing what he can to gain attention. He stays in longer than Bush, too. The Santorum model.

Rubio presents himself as GOP Obama. Fresh-ish face, multi-culti-ish background. He is able to speak crazy and sane in a single sentence.

Rubio selects either Fiorina or Kasich as running mate. One is the Palin pick, the other the Biden pick.

Hillary looks as if she's scolding her talented but irresponsible son in the debates -- think Alex P. Keaton.

Trump attempts a third party run. Cruz wants attention so he vaguely threatens to do the same until he doesn't.

Hillary wins by about the same numbers Obama did in 2008. She even wins Florida. Rubio runs for governor and wins. Jeb gains back all the weight.

No clue on Hill's VP pick.

 

[Diemen]

Yeah, you were mad. So you acted like a dick, and you made me mad. That's how that works.

Maybe in middle school


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Uh, yeah. Let's drop this bizarre little feud/pile on thing now, thanks.

 

[digitize]

Rubio wins. He beats out Bush with Cruz doing what he can to gain attention. He stays in longer than Bush, too. The Santorum model.

Rubio presents himself as GOP Obama. Fresh-ish face, multi-culti-ish background. He is able to speak crazy and sane in a single sentence.

Rubio selects either Fiorina or Kasich as running mate. One is the Palin pick, the other the Biden pick.

Hillary looks as if she's scolding her talented but irresponsible son in the debates -- think Alex P. Keaton.

Trump attempts a third party run. Cruz wants attention so he vaguely threatens to do the same until he doesn't.

Hillary wins by about the same numbers Obama did in 2008. She even wins Florida. Rubio runs for governor and wins. Jeb gains back all the weight.

No clue on Hill's VP pick.

Rubio seems viable, but no more viable than Bush.

I don't think that Trump will run as a third party candidate, and I'm not even sure why. Maybe I just think that enough people in high places will threaten/pressure him to get him to honor his GOP support pledge (which I assume isn't actually legally binding).

If things go normally, then it'll probably be Hillary vs. Rubio or Bush, and my instinct is that Hillary will win by a small margin. At this point, I'm not totally ruling out Bernie and/or one of the many GOP crazies being in the general election, but I still wouldn't invest in Bernie or Trump/Carson/Fiorina futures. Carson especially is fried after his comment about Muslims, Fiorina will probably say something equally stupid soon enough, and Trump will presumably eventually fade. Of the three, Fiorina is by far the most likely at this point.

And, speaking emotionally, I would desperately like a viable Democratic alternative to Hillary, but I'm not 100% sure why from a more logical standpoint. I'm not impressed by the email scandal or by her general aloof persona, but I honestly don't think that she'd be a bad president. I respect her work as SecState as well, and I partially can't blame her for a hardened persona, after how horribly the GOP has treated her for the past few years. But it's still difficult to watch. I'm left rooting for her regardless at the moment, because I really wouldn't want to vote for Bernie in the general election, and I couldn't vote for any of these Republicans.


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[U2DMfan]

I partially can't blame her for a hardened persona, after how horribly the GOP has treated her for the past few years.

It's been more than a few years since 1992.

 

[anitram]

And yet Carly Fiorina makes Hillary seem warm and fuzzy.

 

[Oregoropa]

Hillary is a train wreck. She is a shell of what she was in 2008. She is laying low, trying to rebrand herself. Hiring consultants who tell her she has to be funnier. She's not hitting the trail hard. Her crowds pale in comparison to Bernie. The dark cloud of the server hangs over her. The public perception of her has gone downhill in polling especially with trustworthiness and honesty.

I think if you are for her you have to be somewhat disappointed that she's not out there battling and bashing republicans over the head.


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[Irvine511]

Hillary is a train wreck. She is a shell of what she was in 2008. She is laying low, trying to rebrand herself. Hiring consultants who tell her she has to be funnier. She's not hitting the trail hard. Her crowds pale in comparison to Bernie. The dark cloud of the server hangs over her. The public perception of her has gone downhill in polling especially with trustworthiness and honesty.

I think if you are for her you have to be somewhat disappointed that she's not out there battling and bashing republicans over the head.


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maybe. we'll see.

 

[BVS]

Hillary is a train wreck. She is a shell of what she was in 2008. She is laying low, trying to rebrand herself. Hiring consultants who tell her she has to be funnier. She's not hitting the trail hard. Her crowds pale in comparison to Bernie. The dark cloud of the server hangs over her. The public perception of her has gone downhill in polling especially with trustworthiness and honesty.

I think if you are for her you have to be somewhat disappointed that she's not out there battling and bashing republicans over the head.


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25% true 75% fox fed wishful thinking


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[Irvine511]

while i have issues with HRC as a candidate, reports of her demise are greatly exaggerated.

she also has by far the easiest path to 270 of any candidate of either party. by far.

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

Hillary is a train wreck. She is a shell of what she was in 2008. She is laying low, trying to rebrand herself. Hiring consultants who tell her she has to be funnier. She's not hitting the trail hard. Her crowds pale in comparison to Bernie. The dark cloud of the server hangs over her. The public perception of her has gone downhill in polling especially with trustworthiness and honesty.

I think if you are for her you have to be somewhat disappointed that she's not out there battling and bashing republicans over the head.


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While some of this may be true, the upside is she isn't out there shutting down the govt., trying to defeat unions, preaching against gay marriage, and her supporters don't shout "Obama is a Muslim" at her campaign stops.

Despite all of her baggage, she can totally win, because conservatives cannot change their stripes. The moderates will continue to be drowned out by the insane clown posse of the party.

On the other hand, i could still see TRUMP! getting the nomination and getting into the White House because of his celebrity and the shit he says. But the downside for him is, well, the shit he says. People may begin to tire of him by then, if they haven't already. His "unfavorability" ratings are probably as high as his favorability ratings.

Still he has been a fun ride thus far. He is coming to our state fairl this weekend, i would be tempted to get liquored up and go see him, would surely be a hoot. But the truth is the state fair is basically wal*mart minus the air conditioning. So no thanks.

 

[corianderstem]

This is so much better than the Trump gifs. Oh man.

DERP DERP DERP.

 

[U2DMfan]

Hillary is a train wreck. She is a shell of what she was in 2008. She is laying low, trying to rebrand herself. Hiring consultants who tell her she has to be funnier. She's not hitting the trail hard. Her crowds pale in comparison to Bernie. The dark cloud of the server hangs over her. The public perception of her has gone downhill in polling especially with trustworthiness and honesty.

I think if you are for her you have to be somewhat disappointed that she's not out there battling and bashing republicans over the head.


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The first ballots will not be cast - as of today - for 131 days.

HRC's polling recently went up a bit. She has hit her nadir and short of a criminal indictment, it's all uphill. All she has to do is something she's done many times. Weather the storm. Whitewater, Vince Foster, at this point I can't even remember all the bullshit from the 90's. Later - Benghazi. Emails. This is not her first rodeo. And unlike 2008, the media is not going to be cheerleading for the great storyline of Bernie or Rubio.

Personally, I'd rather support Biden than HRC but I don't think that is in the cards. Also let's not forget...the Republicans can't win the Presidency. They've won the popular vote once since 1988 and that was in a year where the Bushies had everyone scared to death of the darkies from 'over there' and the gays coming to forcibly marry your sons in Ohio. Even still, Kerry had the most votes ever for a losing candidate in 2004. Demographics. Electoral college. Social issues. All HRC really has to do is beat an admitted socialist and get the Dem nomination. And short of a criminal indictment, she will.

 

[Bluer White]

The President doesn't seem to be a particular fan of Mrs. Clinton's presidency, but he won't have a criminal indictment of his own Secretary of State.

 

[BVS]

The President doesn't seem to be a particular fan of Mrs. Clinton's presidency,

Has he endorsed someone else?


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[Mrs. Garrison]

Has he endorsed someone else?


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If Biden jumps in he would kind of have to.

 

[BVS]

If Biden jumps in he would kind of have to.

I think that's a loooooong shot.


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[Oregoropa]

Also let's not forget...the Republicans can't win the Presidency.

It's easy to take solace in the electoral map of 2008 & 2012, but I believe it comes down to head to head match-ups. Obama was a juggernaut in 2008 and he sustained his popularity in 2012 in what was a closer contest. Romney lost because voters didn't think he cared about people like themselves and Mormonism caused Evangelicals to stay home. Clinton had great political savvy and a favorable economic environment to win.

That being said Obama and Bill are gifted politicians and campaigners where Hillary is not. She may not have the best head to head matchup like Bill and Obama did. We have a more celebrity obsessed culture now, where Bill and Obama are rockstars. I predict she will either face off against Rubio or Trump, both fresh on the political scene. Some of their policies may be a non-starter for folks in FYM, but the general public is different.

HRC needs a shot of adrenaline in her campaign. Her crowds are dwarfed by Bernie's. Right now everybody is talking about Trump and the GOP thanks to the debates. In the end she needs to somehow come close to the Obama turnout machine or it could easily swing the other way. I'm not sure she is a good enough campaigner to do that.

 

[bobsaget77]

It's easy to take solace in the electoral map of 2008 & 2012, but I believe it comes down to head to head match-ups. Obama was a juggernaut in 2008 and he sustained his popularity in 2012 in what was a closer contest. Romney lost because voters didn't think he cared about people like themselves and Mormonism caused Evangelicals to stay home. Clinton had great political savvy and a favorable economic environment to win.



That being said Obama and Bill are gifted politicians and campaigners where Hillary is not. She may not have the best head to head matchup like Bill and Obama did. We have a more celebrity obsessed culture now, where Bill and Obama are rockstars. I predict she will either face off against Rubio or Trump, both fresh on the political scene. Some of their policies may be a non-starter for folks in FYM, but the general public is different.



HRC needs a shot of adrenaline in her campaign. Her crowds are dwarfed by Bernie's. Right now everybody is talking about Trump and the GOP thanks to the debates. In the end she needs to somehow come close to the Obama turnout machine or it could easily swing the other way. I'm not sure she is a good enough campaigner to do that.

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[Irvine511]

HRC in '08 very nearly beat Obama, who was, we all agree, lightning in a bottle that year.

She would have clobbered McCain, too, in the general. And she would have beaten Romney in 2012.

 

[BVS]

HRC needs a shot of adrenaline in her campaign. Her crowds are dwarfed by Bernie's. Right now everybody is talking about Trump and the GOP thanks to the debates. In the end she needs to somehow come close to the Obama turnout machine or it could easily swing the other way. I'm not sure she is a good enough campaigner to do that.

You keep forgetting one thing. For better or worse, she's in a position where she can wait this out. The adrenaline will come once the field is narrowed down.

The GOP is basically a clown car right now. The extremists are salivating and the rest of the country is laughing or shaking their heads. The smartest thing Hillary can do right now is lay low. Once the head clown is removed, she'll need to step in, but right now Trump is just proving how extreme and ridiculous the GOP base has become. He has absolutely no reach beyond the racists and extremists of your party, no one in the GOP wants him.

When Glenn Beck is calling out his supporters as racists you have a huge fucking problem.

Once you understand this you'll realize how much your media is lying and exaggerating to you.


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[Oregoropa]

When Glenn Beck is calling out his supporters as racists you have a huge fucking problem.

Glenn Beck is losing his marbles. He wants to be some sort of prophet-sage.

 

[Oregoropa]

As far as the GOP field goes I really don't like Jeb. I find myself eagerly awaiting the fall of Ben Carson. Nice guy and all. Don't understand what his supporters see in him. He is all over the place on policy.

 

[BVS]

Glenn Beck is losing his marbles. He wants to be some sort of prophet-sage.

I agree. But he's a major voice in that movement, right now there is a large fracture going on.

My prediction is that Trump is the breaking point. If you don't learn from this election and modify the platform you're handing the other side domination until they become what you are now. The GOP as we know it now will be obsolete in 2 cycles.


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[anitram]

In a speech delivered in 2012, Ben Carson said the big bang theory was part of the “fairy tales” pushed by “highfalutin scientists” as a story of creation.

Similarly, Carson, a noted creationist, said he believed the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.

This is the highest ranking guy after Trump and yet people on this thread are suggesting that Hillary Clinton's run is in trouble?

The GOP really wants to stick a fork in itself and be done.

 

[bono_212]

Guys, just stop feeding into their crazy theory about the imploding left. It's a defense mechanism to how badly things are going right now with the GOP.

 

[Salome]

I am not following it too closely, but it seems to me that the only thing that can prevent HRC from becoming the next president of the US is people getting sick of her before the elections.

It's not going to be because any of the clowns running amok at the moment will convince the majority of the voters they can do a better job.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I am not following it too closely, but it seems to me that the only thing that can prevent HRC from becoming the next president of the US is people getting sick of her before the elections.

It's not going to be because any of the clowns running amok at the moment will convince the majority of the voters they can do a better job.

This, pretty much. And there'd have to be a Democratic candidate that comes along and REALLY wows everyone a la Obama. Sanders is doing that to some extent, but a lot of people don't see his chances of winning the nomination being great. Plus, we had the "first black president!" narrative, so naturally people are going to be all over "first female president!" as the next exciting narrative.

But yeah. People are tired of the GOP's outdated rhetoric on social issues, and their financial platform is pretty much the same ol', same ol'. They have a couple minorities in the running, but it feels like lip service having them there. Especially since they're not likely to win the nomination.

 

[BigMacPhisto]

I figured out the entire Republican race days ago. It's going to come down to Marco Rubio vs. Carly Fiorina with Jeb Bush being the dark horse. Nobody else has a prayer when you look at how high their actual ceilings happen to be. Cruz, Christie, Carson, Kasich, etc. all can only shoot so high. Rubio and Fiorina's debate performances will only continue to elevate them above the fray as the race goes on.

I'm of the opinion that we'll ultimately see a Rubio ticket with Fiorina as his VP pick. He basically gets a token female candidate like Palin that's actually intelligent and helps reunify the party after the two of them get the lion's share of delegates. Fiorina helps the ticket more than an establishment candidate with a ton of baggage would.

Trump's hot air balloon is already imploding and it will be nearly deflated by the time December rolls around. I'd expect him to drop out before the Iowa Caucus even happens because why on earth would he want to waste time shaking hands for a lost cause when he could just bow out and say the GOP establishment used a lot of dirty tricks to make him lose?

Regardless, it is indeed a lost cause for the GOP. When you're earning a 2.5 million voter deficit due to your party members dying and young people registering as Democrats, well, it's hopeless. I don't know why people pretend there's a chance in hell for them when the share of the white vote continually drops around 2.5% every four years. If Clinton doesn't win by as big a margin as Obama did over McCain, it will be a total shock. Not only have a lot of polling hinted that she would exceed the 2008 margin, but she has an even bigger registration advantage given eight years of deaths and new Democrats. In fact, it's the most favorable political climate for Democrats ever as far as party identification and the racial makeup of the country is concerned. A pity there's all that gerrymandering...

 

[Irvine511]

I figured out the entire Republican race days ago. It's going to come down to Marco Rubio vs. Carly Fiorina with Jeb Bush being the dark horse. Nobody else has a prayer when you look at how high their actual ceilings happen to be. Cruz, Christie, Carson, Kasich, etc. all can only shoot so high. Rubio and Fiorina's debate performances will only continue to elevate them above the fray as the race goes on.



I'm of the opinion that we'll ultimately see a Rubio ticket with Fiorina as his VP pick. He basically gets a token female candidate like Palin that's actually intelligent and helps reunify the party after the two of them get the lion's share of delegates. Fiorina helps the ticket more than an establishment candidate with a ton of baggage would.



Trump's hot air balloon is already imploding and it will be nearly deflated by the time December rolls around. I'd expect him to drop out before the Iowa Caucus even happens because why on earth would he want to waste time shaking hands for a lost cause when he could just bow out and say the GOP establishment used a lot of dirty tricks to make him lose?



Regardless, it is indeed a lost cause for the GOP. When you're earning a 2.5 million voter deficit due to your party members dying and young people registering as Democrats, well, it's hopeless. I don't know why people pretend there's a chance in hell for them when the share of the white vote continually drops around 2.5% every four years. If Clinton doesn't win by as big a margin as Obama did over McCain, it will be a total shock. Not only have a lot of polling hinted that she would exceed the 2008 margin, but she has an even bigger registration advantage given eight years of deaths and new Democrats. In fact, it's the most favorable political climate for Democrats ever as far as party identification and the racial makeup of the country is concerned. A pity there's all that gerrymandering...

Some of us called Rubio/Fiorina weeks and weeks ago.