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Old 10-23-2015, 01:17 PM   #241
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Ben Carson's success lately is so ridiculous and really is only because he's black. It's not like he's even done anything for the base to keep his name shooting up in the polls and his stock only tends to rise after every awful debate he has where he stands there frightened and basically whispers into the microphone. Republicans want to pretend they aren't racist and his skin color and inspiring story suits their needs. Just from an objective point of view, he's probably the least capable leader of anybody left in the race from either major party, yet here he stands now with a chance at the nomination.
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Of course, under that scenario, we all know Biden would immediately hop in there and try to be the mainstream alternative to Sanders.

Fodgodsakes, Joe isn't running. I doubt he ever really gave it serious thought, it's hilarious how so many still want to play this game.


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Old 10-23-2015, 03:26 PM   #243
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Health Savings Accounts are a GOP idea I find laughable since most working class Americans don't have the means to save right now.


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Fodgodsakes, Joe isn't running. I doubt he ever really gave it serious thought, it's hilarious how so many still want to play this game.
He didn't run because Hillary didn't become vulnerable enough. If she became vulnerable enough, he damn well would run as his only competition would be Sanders. The media and poltical pundits has mentioned this time-and-again. If Hillary were to be found to have done something truly illegal over the next few months, it's one-hundred-percent certain that Biden would jump into the race. Clinton was always the person keeping him (and basically everyone else) out.

It's no coincidence that Biden announces he's not running after noticing the first polls showing Clinton having a bounce after the debate. She went in there and performed well enough and effectively left no room for Biden.
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Yeah, and they don't work for any type of chronic disease. The GOP in general just doesn't know how to deal with healthcare, it's one of the reasons why they are where they are.


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He didn't run because Hillary didn't become vulnerable enough. If she became vulnerable enough, he damn well would run as his only competition would be Sanders. The media and poltical pundits has mentioned this time-and-again. If Hillary were to be found to have done something truly illegal over the next few months, it's one-hundred-percent certain that Biden would jump into the race. Clinton was always the person keeping him (and basically everyone else) out.

It's no coincidence that Biden announces he's not running after noticing the first polls showing Clinton having a bounce after the debate. She went in there and performed well enough and effectively left no room for Biden.


I generally agree. He was the backup should HRC self-destruct or go to jail, and girlfriend looks steely and in control these past few weeks. The party at large fears a McGovern-type disaster with Sanders. Whether that fear is founded remains to be seen, but it really has always been her nomination to loose since The 2008 convention.
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He didn't run because Hillary didn't become vulnerable enough. If she became vulnerable enough, he damn well would run as his only competition would be Sanders. The media and political pundits has mentioned this time-and-again. If Hillary were to be found to have done something truly illegal over the next few months, it's one-hundred-percent certain that Biden would jump into the race. Clinton was always the person keeping him (and basically everyone else) out.

It's no coincidence that Biden announces he's not running after noticing the first polls showing Clinton having a bounce after the debate. She went in there and performed well enough and effectively left no room for Biden.


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Yeah, and they don't work for any type of chronic disease. The GOP in general just doesn't know how to deal with healthcare, it's one of the reasons why they are where they are.


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As someone who used to have a a chronic disease before I got surgery last December, fuck the GOP health care plans. They're all awful and wouldn't do shit for anyone suffering from serious illnesses. I had complications after my first surgery and had to spend about a month in the hospital spread out over four different stays and the bill was $200,000. Luckily my parents health insurance covered everything after we hit our deductible (which happened on January 2nd, since my third hospitalization was on New Years Day), which was $4000. I can't imagine having no health insurance and then being diagnosed with a chronic illness. The GOP would tell those people they should've saved up money...fuck them.


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How is not having heath insurance serious topic of conversation? Holy shit. I mean, ffs, you have to have car insurance, legally. Why are cars more important than people? If we're going to do away with health insurance, then I damn well hope you're planning on also doing away with healthcare being for profit, in that case.
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So Jeb is cutting back. Dropping paid staffers, consultants, dropping ad buys, and others taking pay cuts. There is going to be an emergency meeting for the Bushies in Houston. The establishment may have to steer their resources to Rubio if Jeb is on life support.
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Yeah, and they don't work for any type of chronic disease. The GOP in general just doesn't know how to deal with healthcare, it's one of the reasons why they are where they are.


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Just one of my mom's post chemo shots costs $5,000, for a fucking shot. So yeah, a savings account will do nothing.
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There's the Walter White Health Savings Account

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yep. something i haven't talked about at all, even on fb, but my mom's on chemo right now. we don't have insurance (i don't either but it's a separate issue and i'm also not sick so that's not the point, but my parents don't either). our state didn't expand medicare and they make too much to qualify, yet make too little to be able to afford the plans. and i'm not saying the plans offered are expensive like the $1k/month bs people will make up, they're on par with about how much insurance used to cost pre-aca. but if you don't have two people working two full-time jobs, you can't afford that.

so my mom's on chemo with no health insurance. thankfully (for once) we live in the bible belt so there's a lot of christian-based healthcare providers around here that provide cheap healthcare, so at least as of right now, unless the clinic decides she doesn't qualify, she's not having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for chemotherapy that her oncologist said she'll be on for the rest of her life...because she can't afford the medicine that would nip it in the bud and take care of it quicker.

yet if either of my parents get sick, they have to go to the emergency room to get an antibiotic. okay. yes carson and all the other republicans, your healthcare plans are amazing. what we have now isn't even that great, so please tell me more about how it'll help anyone who isn't rich.
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It's almost as if the GOP don't actually serve working class interests.
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