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Old 09-17-2015, 01:02 PM   #976
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Fiorina was unbearable.


the CW this morning amongst the punditry seems to be that she "won" the debate.

i think the strongest GOP ticket is Rubio/Kasich.

get a GOP version of Obama and a GOP version of Biden, and Ohio. maybe.
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:04 PM   #977
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I also found Fiorina to be unbearable and frankly the most terrifying person on stage. Her ultra hawkish responses and her cold, detached and robotic delivery reminded me of Dick Cheney.

I don't find Rubio to be strong at all, he kind of comes across as a little kid playing dressup on stage who studied too hard.

Kasich did seem like the adult up there, alas he has nowhere to go.
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Old 09-17-2015, 01:22 PM   #978
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. II

Fiorina's stance on completely ignoring Putin and our enemies is a very scary thought. Reacting based on emotions is always dangerous, especially when you have control over the most powerful military in the world. That ridiculous tirade she went on about the details of her military plan was really horrible and was jut trying to get a rise out of the crowd. Which she clearly did successfully considering there are morons who think she won the debate. She's the anti-Rand Paul when it comes to foreign affairs.
Rand is at least open to diplomacy, putting boots on the ground should not be the 1st and only option. But of course, if you seek diplomacy and rationality, you don't have a chance of winning. It's all about getting the crowd riled up.
A quick fact about Fiorina. My grandfather a number of years ago was a VP at a huge company and personally knew Fiorina. He said no one could stand being around her and HP couldn't get her out of there fast enough. She was a horrible CEO and a complete disaster for the company.


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Fiorina's stance on completely ignoring Putin and our enemies is a very scary thought.
That was the thing that really put me off as well. It's insane.
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I like her, actually.

God, if it could just be Kasich, at least then I could stomach the thought of a Republican winning.

Can't stand Rubio, I think you are spot on, Anitram, he looks like a little kid.

Jeb dodging the women's health thing, and backing up Huckabee regarding Davis might have been his undoing.
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Anybody check out Ann Coulter's Twitter? She basically attacks half the candidates... oh yeah and the f--king Jews.


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the CW this morning amongst the punditry seems to be that she "won" the debate.

i think the strongest GOP ticket is Rubio/Kasich.

get a GOP version of Obama and a GOP version of Biden, and Ohio. maybe.
I agree but I'd flip it. Kasich/Rubio. Kasich is easily the class of this field, as I believed a few months ago. I said at the time if he ever got on the big stage, he'd make some noise. He's gonna be in this thing until the end and I believe along with Rubio, will be the alternative to Trump/Carson, whichever ultimately manages to wrangle together the anti-establishment vote.

I also have to agree with others. The same foolish CW that has been consistently wrong about Trump now wants to crown Fiorina and I thought she was one of the worst on the stage last night. She's a fired CEO who lost the only election she's ever run for. She was also part of Lucent and Lucent went from a HUGE success to in the tank after they misreported their earnings and (also) the tech bubble burst. Forget Trump, if she gets more traction, this shit will destroy her candidacy becuse others will use it.

this mentions some of it:
Donald Trump: Carly Fiorina was even worse at Lucent than at HP - Fortune

Fuck her. She's an atrocious candidate. Might explain why currently she is the darling of the punditry class from last night.
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Trump: "Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."

This alone should take Trump out of the race. It won't, but it should.
Jenny McCarthy can be his running mate.
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That's right up there with this debate gif:



I did like Fiorina's response to the "look at her face" crap. Trump set himself right up for her response by bashing Jeb(!)'s "that wasn't what I meant," so that was sharp of her to run with that.
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I just loved them trying to out-hipster each other with their "Hey man, I defunded Planned Parenthood before it was cool" fight.
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I don't find Rubio to be strong at all, he kind of comes across as a little kid playing dressup on stage who studied too hard.

Kasich did seem like the adult up there, alas he has nowhere to go.
my takeaway, exactly
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That's right up there with this debate gif:


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I just loved them trying to out-hipster each other with their "Hey man, I defunded Planned Parenthood before it was cool" fight.
As much as I agree that was amusing, I just want to reitterate, again, that at LEAST Kasich followed up his comments about defunding it with the fact that he still wants to pursue alternatives.
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Yeah, while I didn't watch the whole thing, the little I heard from Kasich left me thinking "well, he seems at least somewhat reasonable and sane."
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Rubio is the best debater.

Fiorina is clearly the smartest of the bunch, she can whip into specifics about anything without much prompting and doesn't get phased up there.

Christie chiming in on the Trump/Fiorina feud was so smug and desperate...reminding me of Newt Gingrich winning the Georgia primary because in the debate prior to it he was asked about cheating on his spouses/hypocrisy and then blasted the media (so, cheating on a dying wife of his won him a state). It was just so forced and Christie wants to be the loudest guy in the room in order to get attention again.

Paul is obviously the most reasonable on drugs/incarceration/foreign policy. Not like it matters.

Don't give Kasich too much credit. His true policies and ideas are just as heinous of the rest of the field, even if he's willing to be sensible on a few issues.

Walker and Bush are the has-been front-runners and just seem pretty adrift out there.

Still not seeing how Trump can really falter in the polls. If the first debate didn't stop him, why would the second? His base clearly could give two shits about actual policy specifics.



It's pretty telling that there's been no major endorsements (from Governors, Reps or Senators) of any of these candidates for nearly a month now. Makes it pretty likely that Romney could be thrown into the ring in order to stop Trump (+ other outsiders) and/or a long primary. His base alone would make him #2 in the polls and he'd eventually pull ahead of Trump once others exited the race. Couple that with his newfound likability among the general public and the fact that he'd unquestionably fare the best against the Democratic challenger and it's almost a no-brainer. When Romney walked away from the race earlier this year, he figured there were going to be a couple of front-runners and that he'd have a hard time arguing for people to support the last election's loser...obviously, him and his team had no idea that it was going to turn into a crowded 17 person field with the celebrity candidate taking all the oxygen. It's literally the same situation as 2012 for Romney. The hardcore right-wingers won't be able to coalesce behind one candidate in time and Romney's base of 20-30% off-the-bat will be enough for him to ultimately win it.
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