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Old 09-15-2015, 08:12 PM   #916
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Debates can have huge gaffes or you learn more about another candidate you might like. It is prime time TV. Sports for political pundits. I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet. I like a couple different candidates.

On the dem side I want to see how Bernie, Hillary, O'Malley do.
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:33 AM   #917
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I despise Rand Paul. How did someone with a degree of respectability like Ron Paul spawn such a dipshit sellout?

Of course Kasich, the only one that resembles a human being, is getting overlooked. Maybe if he walked around in clown shoes he'd have a fighting chance.

Because Ron Paul 😗

No but seriously, I agree. Rand Paul got all the batshit crazy from Ron, but left the integrity at home.

In other news, I've really disliked Bobby Jindal since the whole Duck Dynasty fiasco... but has anyone read his Op-Ed for CNN on Trump? Dude absolutely kills it, from an objective perspective. I didn't know he was capable of such articulation. I was impressed (even though I still strongly disagree with Jindalism).
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/15/opinio...-donald-trump/
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Dude absolutely kills it, from an objective perspective.
You were impressed by an intro to the article featuring this gem??

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The liberalism and incompetence of the Obama administration have pushed us to the edge of a socialist abyss.
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. II

I find it strange that you'd quote the exact part where I say "from an objective perspective." Almost like, you acknowledged that, but still ignored it.

His criticism and irrational view of the Obama administration is his own assertion of subjectivity. And it doesn't have much to do with the overall point of the article.

Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you can't tip your hat to them. I don't like him. But, did you read the whole thing?
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I find it strange that you'd quote the exact part where I say "from an objective perspective." Almost like, you acknowledged that, but still ignored it.

His criticism and irrational view of the Obama administration is his own assertion of subjectivity. And it doesn't have much to do with the overall point of the article.

Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you can't tip your hat to them. I don't like him. But, did you read the whole thing?
I read the whole thing. The only portion of that piece where I might agree that with your "objective perspective" is in his assessment of Trump's character. But the doomsday scenarios he's providing around Trump are just silly politicking and a plea for attention masquerading as taking a stand.

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But this is no laughing matter. Our country is slipping away. The liberalism and incompetence of the Obama administration have pushed us to the edge of a socialist abyss.

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I'm the Ivy League educated son of immigrants. Liberals hate me for that because instead of joining their ranks, I'm a gun-owning, God-fearing conservative who's made a career of beating Democrats. They're now an endangered species in Louisiana. As are bureaucrats -- I've laid off more of them than Trump has fired people and I've cut my state's budget by more than he's worth.
Note how liberalism is defined as inherently bad (if not downright evil), Obama's incompetence is stated as if it is absolute fact so plain it doesn't even require the faintest hint of actual evidence, and liberals are implicitly equated with gun fearing, God-hating weaklings who are destroying this country. That's not objective perspective. That's fear mongering, of perhaps a slightly less obtuse form than Trump employs, but fear-mongering all the same.
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I read the whole thing. The only portion of that piece where I might agree that with your "objective perspective" is in his assessment of Trump's character. But the doomsday scenarios he's providing around Trump are just silly politicking and a plea for attention masquerading as taking a stand.







Note how liberalism is defined as inherently bad (if not downright evil), Obama's incompetence is stated as if it is absolute fact so plain it doesn't even require the faintest hint of actual evidence, and liberals are implicitly equated with gun fearing, God-hating weaklings who are destroying this country. That's not objective perspective. That's fear mongering, of perhaps a slightly less obtuse form than Trump employs, but fear-mongering all the same.

Well, I chose to focus mainly on the heart of the article. The abstract. And I think he's bringing about points to republicans that others cannot about Trump. Of course, he's capitalizing on the opportunity to grab attention... but from his republican perspective, within his own people and the republican base... he hit the nail on the head. It might be a cry for attention, but it deserves to be an effective one amongst republicans.
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Because Ron Paul ������

No but seriously, I agree. Rand Paul got all the batshit crazy from Ron, but left the integrity at home.

In other news, I've really disliked Bobby Jindal since the whole Duck Dynasty fiasco... but has anyone read his Op-Ed for CNN on Trump? Dude absolutely kills it, from an objective perspective. I didn't know he was capable of such articulation. I was impressed (even though I still strongly disagree with Jindalism).
Jindal: Donald Trump is a madman who must be stopped - CNN.com

because I don't write off Trump and his followers, some people in here think I am all in for him. Truth is I will probably end up voting with the majority of the posters in this forum, which I have in the last several Presidential elections. I write what I think about these election processes, what I believe motivates people, what I think will likely happen next, etc. At election time I vote pragmatically for the candidate that is best overall for the country.

ok, all that said, I just wanted to say I took the time to read that linked article, my only take away,
is given a choice between Jidal and Trump, I would choose Trump.

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We do need to Make America Great Again. We do need to burn down Washington. We do need to eradicate political correctness. But we will not achieve that by nominating a walking punch line.

We face a choice: We can decide to win, or we can be the biggest fools in history and put our faith not in our principles, but in an egomaniac who has no principles. It's time for Trump to take the ride down his own elevator. It's time we rally behind a serious candidate.

I'm the Ivy League educated son of immigrants. Liberals hate me for that because instead of joining their ranks, I'm a gun-owning, God-fearing conservative who's made a career of beating Democrats. They're now an endangered species in Louisiana. As are bureaucrats -- I've laid off more of them than Trump has fired people and I've cut my state's budget by more than he's worth.

If you want to stick it to the man so badly that you are willing to see Clinton win, vote for Trump. But if you want a politically incorrect conservative revolution, I'm the guy who can lead it.
It is total asshat, jerk bag, politicians like Jindal that are responsible for the rise of Trump
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because I don't write off Trump and his followers, some people in here think I am all in for him.
I'm pretty sure no one in here thinks that.
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Here is an off-topic question that parallels Trump vs Gop establishment. Do you think the Democratic establishment will do whatever it takes to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination?

The democrat primary is different in that Super-delegates get leverage in picking the nomination. I would think they would side more with Clinton or Biden.


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Here is an off-topic question that parallels Trump vs Gop establishment. Do you think the Democratic establishment will do whatever it takes to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination?

The democrat primary is different in that Super-delegates get leverage in picking the nomination. I would think they would side more with Clinton or Biden.


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Here's the issue with candidates like Trump and Sanders; they could both get the majority of theirs base's support, BUT candidates like this will absolutely motivate those that oppose their views to get out of their seats. So if Trump or Sanders went up against a mainstream candidate they are gifting the presidency to the other side.


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of all the nominees
there are only 2 Sanders has a slim chance of beating

they are Hillary and Biden, if he gets past them, he would lose to any in the GOP that get the nom, Trump would beat him in a land slide.

If Biden gets the nomination, he is a sure loser.


party insiders, can not always stop a disaster nomination i.e. Goldwater in 64
McGovern in 72

Sanders falls in the category of Goldwater or McGovern as a sure loser
Trump is not in that category.
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Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you can't tip your hat to them. I don't like him. But, did you read the whole thing?
I did read the whole thing and I didn't find it particularly objective - to me it is nothing I haven't read a hundred times before. Now maybe you can say that he's standing alone in the GOP field in being willing to put pen to paper but generally speaking it's just a pretty histrionic article.
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As much as I like Bernie Sanders on a personal level I have a hard time seeing how he pulls off beating Hillary in the primaries. Yes, he has a substantial lead in Iowa and New Hampshire, but those are both states with primaries basically custom made for candidates like him. Once you get to the bigger states he will get trounced by the Clinton machine. And no, I'm not at all a Hillary fan, but think that she'll be the nominee in the end.
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I wouldn't underestimate Biden.
He can connect to people on a personal level, similar to the way Sanders does. But is much more close to the left-center than Sanders. I think Biden is actually a generally likeable guy.

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I did read the whole thing and I didn't find it particularly objective - to me it is nothing I haven't read a hundred times before. Now maybe you can say that he's standing alone in the GOP field in being willing to put pen to paper but generally speaking it's just a pretty histrionic article.

I guess the difference is that I chose to read it not as though Jindal was even the writer. It's not until the personal plug where I think it's hogwash. But up until then, I don't think it's just the same-old. I particularly see it as a breakdown in words that most politicians fail to achieve. The true politician is someone like Ted Cruz, who is kissing Trump's ass at every second he gets. Ted Cruz is why Trump exists. Clowns. Which, Jindal normally is, but if this was PTI I'd be giving him some points
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