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Old 09-02-2015, 08:30 PM   #841
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I know most of you were not around in 1980 or 1984, but there really was such a thing as Reagan Democrats. No real W Democrats in 2000 or 2004.
I know you don't have the advantage of un-knowing our Reagan history.
But in 79-80 Reagan was outside of the GOP mainstream. GHW Bush was the insider pick. The Jeb Bush safe choice.
Reagan was considered an outsider, more of a populace candidate.

I think many of you are wrong on a Trump nomination. He will get more of the African-American vote than W, McCain or Romney got. He won't do great with the Latino vote, but he will have something of a Democrats for Trump, like the Reagan Democrats. Pick up 10-15 per cent of the black vote. Lose 10-15 of the Latino vote, but pick up 10-15 of the independents and 5-7 % of the Democrats. Trump is for sure the GOP best hope.
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Except Trump is a lunatic.

The best hope for the GOP, and for our country really, is that Trump actually wins the nomination and causes the party to break in half. The crazies go one way, the moderates go another.

There's no way Trump wins the election. No. Way.

The best bet for the Republicans to win THIS election was actually the "anyone but Clinton" vote, and maybe with the right candidate they could have snuck one out.

A Trump candidacy throws that away, as there will be a much bigger "anyone but this assclown" vote.

For the true future of the Republican party beyond this cycle as a viable, national party, they need to implode and split in two.
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I know most of you were not around in 1980 or 1984, but there really was such a thing as Reagan Democrats. No real W Democrats in 2000 or 2004.

I think many of you are wrong on a Trump nomination. He will get more of the African-American vote than W, McCain or Romney got. He won't do great with the Latino vote, but he will have something of a Democrats for Trump, like the Reagan Democrats. Pick up 10-15 per cent of the black vote. Lose 10-15 of the Latino vote, but pick up 10-15 of the independents and 5-7 % of the Democrats. Trump is for sure the GOP best hope.
I think you are spot on. There is definitely a Democratic heritage vote . . .Someone might say My Grandpa was a Democrat because of FDR, Dad was a democrat, so I vote Democrat. I see a lot of that in the Wilkes-Barre Scranton area of PA. There's been more of a leftward lurch in the party that has stranded some of these voters who are not yet ready to throw in with the standard GOP brand just yet. This is where Trump can scoop up some votes.
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I think you are spot on. There is definitely a Democratic heritage vote . . .Someone might say My Grandpa was a Democrat because of FDR, Dad was a democrat, so I vote Democrat. I see a lot of that in the Wilkes-Barre Scranton area of PA. There's been more of a leftward lurch in the party that has stranded some of these voters who are not yet ready to throw in with the standard GOP brand just yet. This is where Trump can scoop up some votes.
Yea... No.

I consider myself a moderate. I lean to the left on social issues, but I tend to go to the right on a lot of economic and foreign policy.

I'd vote for a true moderate Republican. I'd never vote for this fucking disaster. Not in a million years. He's an absolute joke.

He'll attract idiots. The best thing he has going for him right now is that apparently there are a lot of them.
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My parents are both independents with slight conservative leanings and there is not a chance in the world they'd vote for Trump.


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Independent as well, and definitely no on Trump.
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I would vote for a Republican if they were the most competent candidate, but Trump isn't.
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Democrats for Trump? Trump seems to have enough trouble winning over enough Republicans for Trump.

Sure he's got a very sizeable minority on side, but when somebody is this polarising they have very little ground to gain when everybody else thinks they're a complete fruitcake.
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In all of deep's analysis, he left out the potentially largest segment of voters - women. And Trump's favourability with women is somewhere in the 20s last I read (July).

Good luck with that.
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Hillary's ex-staffer who had set up her email server apparently Plans to Plead the Fifth after a congressional committee subpoenaed him.

Also today TRUMP! has just signed a "loyalty pledge" to the GOP, which promises that he will support the Republican nominee in next year’s general election, effectively ruling out a third-party or independent run (assuming he keeps his word, the doc is not legal or binding).

At some point i suspect we will hear from Ole Joe, sooner than later

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Pleading the Fifth is not a good sign.
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Someone's getting excited...


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Pleading the Fifth is not a good sign.
that's kinda what i was thinking....
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Donald Trump is not running as a third party candidate because Donald Trump isn't really running for President.
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He is a risk taker
Not afraid to take an unpopular stand

Not losers: Trump praises Tom Brady, Kanye West - CNNPolitics.com
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