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Old 08-20-2015, 07:54 PM   #721
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First off, i don't have a violent hatred, it's a hypothetical.



ONCE AGAIN, you are jumping to conclusions.



But thanks for proving my point.

I understand it was a hypothetical. I was playing along and asking why you beat this hypothetical person in this hypothetical situation.


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I think some are focusing too much on Trump. Ok, remove him from the equation completely and let's just focus on the rhetoric.

My point is that the rhetoric feeds and validates this kind of "crazy".


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Obama goes after ISIS with drone strikes, targets them, executes them. Obama has a press conference where he speaks about the successful mission on TV, and justifies the mission with a tough message for ISIS. A guy on the street, who has seen Obama on TV, sees another man on the street who appears to be from the middle east. He also thinks the middle eastern man is ISIS, for whatever reason, and decides to attack him. When the police come and arrest him, he confesses to the crime thinking he has done nothing wrong. In fact he believes he was doing his part as a good citizen carrying out his idea of Obama's policy in regards to ISIS or terrorists. He is actually shocked that other people on the street, witnesses of the crime, didn't come to help him. Is this Obama inciting violence?
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Well said, Mrs. Garrison
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Obama goes after ISIS with drone strikes, targets them, executes them. Obama has a press conference where he speaks about the successful mission on TV, and justifies the mission with a tough message for ISIS. A guy on the street, who has seen Obama on TV, sees another man on the street who appears to be from the middle east. He also thinks the middle eastern man is ISIS, for whatever reason, and decides to attack him. When the police come and arrest him, he confesses to the crime thinking he has done nothing wrong. In fact he believes he was doing his part as a good citizen carrying out his idea of Obama's policy in regards to ISIS or terrorists. He is actually shocked that other people on the street, witnesses of the crime, didn't come to help him. Is this Obama inciting violence?

If Obama often grouped middle eastern men with ISIS and demonized middle eastern men in general, and spoke of how they should be removed from our country; then yes his rhetoric would be that of which invited this type of violence.

Your example? No


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If Obama often grouped middle eastern men with ISIS and demonized middle eastern men in general, and spoke of how they should be removed from our country; then yes his rhetoric would be that of which invited this type of violence.

Your example? No


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I think some are focusing too much on Trump. Ok, remove him from the equation completely and let's just focus on the rhetoric.

My point is that the rhetoric feeds and validates this kind of "crazy".


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Take "political rhetoric" and replace it with "video games" or "violence on TV/movies" or "rap/metal music" or "books"

It's all the same.

Could a violent crazy person be influenced to shoot up a school by a video game or movie? Yes, of course they could. But if the video game wasn't there, something else would trigger the crazy. Cause crazy does what crazy does.

Blaming Donald Trump, who's as legitimate a candidate as Deez Nuts and Limberbutt McCubbins, for these violent crazies being crazy is just plan wrong. Crazy will do what crazy does. If Trump didn't set them off, then some wack job on Fox would have. Or a website. Or a book. Or a random birdie on the street corner who looked at the guy funny.

Trump is a douche who's using those of lesser intelligence on a fucked up publicity stunt. Yes. True.

But I can't blame his words for the actions of two crazy people who he's never met.
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That is the correct response to a BVS post

Can you imagine if I said this about a Oregoropa post? You'd cry victim so quickly.


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Take "political rhetoric" and replace it with "video games" or "violence on TV/movies" or "rap/metal music" or "books"

It's all the same.

Could a violent crazy person be influenced to shoot up a school by a video game or movie? Yes, of course they could. But if the video game wasn't there, something else would trigger the crazy. Cause crazy does what crazy does.

Blaming Donald Trump, who's as legitimate a candidate as Deez Nuts and Limberbutt McCubbins, for these violent crazies being crazy is just plan wrong. Crazy will do what crazy does. If Trump didn't set them off, then some wack job on Fox would have. Or a website. Or a book. Or a random birdie on the street corner who looked at the guy funny.

Trump is a douche who's using those of lesser intelligence on a fucked up publicity stunt. Yes. True.

But I can't blame his words for the actions of two crazy people who he's never met.

I get what you're saying and I think my point has been blown out of proportion. And that's partly my fault for not starting out with a more detailed response, but I haven't had the time.

I think the difference between the video games/ movies and this scenario is that we're now talking about a potential U.S. Leader. And as confident as you and I know that will never happen, there is a group that is just as confident he will. They look to him as a real leader, you and I know some, and that kind of influence is real.

It's not an excuse, it's not the sole fault of the speaker, but it's real influence. And when you make the conscious decision to solicit certain extreme groups, which I believe Trump has, then you bear the responsibility of your words.


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That is the correct response to a BVS post

And this is the incorrect response to a BVS post. Let's not make things personal, please.
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That guy is just full of hot air.
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So then who gets blamed for Dylann Roof's actions when he specifically said why he did what he did and what organizations inspired him? You people don't think that organizations such as the KKK or even ISIS aren't responsible for rhetoric that can incite violence?


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