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Old 08-06-2015, 11:55 PM   #391
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I'm not a big Fox fan. Never have been. I like O' Reilly's show and Fox Business is good. Baier and Greta are pretty solid as well. But I am not a fan of Kelly, Hannity, etc.
It's just that there's not much alternative out there. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc are awful. The media in general is bad.


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Have you tried NPR or PBS? I find the news to be much more comprehensive when it's not obsessed with ratings.
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Tell me more about this Huckabee person. How is it that someone so phenomenally stupid can be up there and some people take it seriously
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Tell me more about this Huckabee person. How is it that someone so phenomenally stupid can be up there and some people take it seriously
They vote for him. More than once.
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Tell me more about this Huckabee person. How is it that someone so phenomenally stupid can be up there and some people take it seriously

He's the former governor of Arkansas and a former preacher/pastor type. He was considered a strong social conservative but somewhat reasonable in 2008 when he was seen as the conservative option to McCain. Since Obama, he's swung much, much further to the right attempting to capture the hearts and wallets of an older, religious part of the conservative base. Recently published a book called "God, Grits and Guns" (something like that).

He's in it for the money. He's not stupid, he just plays that on TV. He's an effective communicator and is skilled at these debate things where he's really just selling his brand. He does not expect to be the nominee.
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The questions were poorly distributed. That was a big problem. Christie should not have been on the stage.
I would have rather heard questions about how they would have handled the situations in Baltimore and Ferguson and Healthcare. They briefly touched on those issues, but hardly.
Too many unimportant and stupid questions.
Do you think the numbers were manipulated to get Christie on the roster?

Who chose the questions? The Fox News hosts?

Could it be that healthcare was purposefully avoided so no Republican would have to admit they have no alternative to the ACA? It could be that the question writers didn't want to (further) embarrass the candidates.

These are real questions, not my usual smarmy ones.
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Do you think the numbers were manipulated to get Christie on the roster?

Who chose the questions? The Fox News hosts?

Could it be that healthcare was purposefully avoided so no Republican would have to admit they have no alternative to the ACA? It could be that the question writers didn't want to (further) embarrass the candidates.

These are real questions, not my usual smarmy ones.

No. I don't think anything fishy happened to get Christie on the board, it's just that he should've been in the early debate. He has no chance of winning. Kasich is low on the polls too, but he has a lot higher ceiling to gain in the polls. He's a legit candidate and has been great in Ohio.
I believe the hosts chose the question. I think they avoided healthcare because it's a boring topic to many. They wanted to keep focused on topics that will keep viewership up. Iran, Abortion, etc. Don't get me wrong, they're important topics, but they should've touched some other important topics as well.


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Christie pushing to build a state of the art super Navy. Meanwhile...

Very telling, they are only 33 billion behind us, keep in mind our labor costs and regulations means our dollars only go about half as far as costs in those other countries.
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Christie pushing to build a state of the art super Navy. Meanwhile...

A few things to remember about the above chart:

1. The figures are not adjusted for purchasing power parity. India may only spend $38 Billion a year, but $38 Billion in India buys a lot more than it does in the United States or United Kingdom.

2. Actual raw military capability is far more important than what is actually spent. How large is your military force and what can it actually accomplish regardless of spending levels?

Example, the United Kingdom may outspend India according to the chart figures at normal exchange rates, but the Indian military is probably the more capable of the two:

India
Spending per year: $38 Billion
manpower - 1,325,000
tanks - 4,200
Surface Combatant Ships - 23
Submarines - 16
combat aircraft -665

United Kingdom
Spending per year: $59 Billion
manpower - 178,000
tanks - 325
Surface Combatant Ships - 25
Submarines - 11
combat aircraft - 199

So although India spends less than the United Kingdom, the size of its forces in several areas are much larger than the UK. Plus India does have large numbers of modern weapons purchased from Russia.

So the above spending chart really does not tell you much at all. The only thing that matters is the actual size and capabilities of the forces that you do have and raw spending levels are not going to tell you that.
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He's the former governor of Arkansas and a former preacher/pastor type. He was considered a strong social conservative but somewhat reasonable in 2008 when he was seen as the conservative option to McCain. Since Obama, he's swung much, much further to the right attempting to capture the hearts and wallets of an older, religious part of the conservative base. Recently published a book called "God, Grits and Guns" (something like that).

He's in it for the money. He's not stupid, he just plays that on TV. He's an effective communicator and is skilled at these debate things where he's really just selling his brand. He does not expect to be the nominee.
Okay but so was he serious with the extremely transphobic comment followed by that comment about the purpose of war that I would only expect to hear in satire? Was that serious?

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That is a very odd way of scaling a graph.
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A few things to remember about the above chart:

1. The figures are not adjusted for purchasing power parity. India may only spend $38 Billion a year, but $38 Billion in India buys a lot more than it does in the United States or United Kingdom.

2. Actual raw military capability is far more important than what is actually spent. How large is your military force and what can it actually accomplish regardless of spending levels?

Example, the United Kingdom may outspend India according to the chart figures at normal exchange rates, but the Indian military is probably the more capable of the two:

India
Spending per year: $38 Billion
manpower - 1,325,000
tanks - 4,200
Surface Combatant Ships - 23
Submarines - 16
combat aircraft -665

United Kingdom
Spending per year: $59 Billion
manpower - 178,000
tanks - 325
Surface Combatant Ships - 25
Submarines - 11
combat aircraft - 199

So although India spends less than the United Kingdom, the size of its forces in several areas are much larger than the UK. Plus India does have large numbers of modern weapons purchased from Russia.

So the above spending chart really does not tell you much at all. The only thing that matters is the actual size and capabilities of the forces that you do have and raw spending levels are not going to tell you that.
I don't think the chart is trying to suggest that our military is loaded beyond reason, merely that we dedicate too much of an already strained budget to our military and the numbers are staggering compared to those of other nations. More work needs to be done to increase the efficiency of military spending, which was not addressed tonight, only that what we have is deficient to protect us. Framing the problem in those terms is more appealing to the base but will only compound it.
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It was: “I want to know if any of them have received a word from God on what they should do and take care of first.”

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Is that where Cruz's father got drunk?


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The questions were poorly distributed. That was a big problem. Christie should not have been on the stage.
I would have rather heard questions about how they would have handled the situations in Baltimore and Ferguson and Healthcare. They briefly touched on those issues, but hardly.
Too many unimportant and stupid questions.

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I was very disappointed by this as well, but not surprised.





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Tell me more about this Huckabee person. How is it that someone so phenomenally stupid can be up there and some people take it seriously
every time he showed up on TV I kept yelling, what year is it?! To my parents.... I was quite drunk.
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No. I don't think anything fishy happened to get Christie on the board, it's just that he should've been in the early debate. He has no chance of winning. Kasich is low on the polls too, but he has a lot higher ceiling to gain in the polls. He's a legit candidate and has been great in Ohio.
I believe the hosts chose the question. I think they avoided healthcare because it's a boring topic to many. They wanted to keep focused on topics that will keep viewership up. Iran, Abortion, etc. Don't get me wrong, they're important topics, but they should've touched some other important topics as well.


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I'm glad Christie was in it because I actually liked him before it started.

Outside of the wall bullshit that you knew he was gonna spew, I thought Trump faired well. He's a lot smarter than a lot of the other people up there. But then again I probably agreed with a lot cause he's not really a Republican.

If I had to grade the nominees Kasich won easily. I liked him a lot. Jeb probably came in second, followed by Rubio or Trump. The rest were a cluster with Carson and Huckabee fighting for the bottom.

I also watched the kid's table debate. What a waste of an hour. Rick Perry is crazy the new York guy is OK, and everyone else was Under qualified or answered poorly.

Also I still hate Scott Walker and Rand Paul did better than I expected. He wiped the floor with Christie.
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Okay but so was he serious with the extremely transphobic comment followed by that comment about the purpose of war that I would only expect to hear in satire? Was that serious?





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It was what the people who might want to buy his books want to hear.
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