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Old 08-03-2015, 11:00 PM   #151
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I don't care how many Mexicans are here. I care about how many illegal immigrants are in this country committing crimes and get no punishment!!!!
Also, what's Sanders or Hillary's plan for illegal immigration?


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You should when you're making such ridiculously xenophobic lines or blindly supporting those who do.

I'm not sure why you keep asking me that. Do I have a Hillary or Sanders pic in my avatar? You haven't seen me voice support for anyone yet.


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Old 08-03-2015, 11:07 PM   #152
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Trump hasn't laid out any plan, don't pretend otherwise. You're swallowing distorted facts. The truth is Bush, Reagan every president has had to do this.

You really believe Trump's line? How many people are here from Mexico? How many of them are criminals? It's disgusting that any educated person in 2015 can fall for that rhetoric.


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As I replied to you before in just 2013. Among the 36,000 released in 2013 were 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions and 16,070 convictions for driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

I don't know the grand total when you add up recent years. It's not rhetoric, its journalism getting stats. The numbers and the link are right there in front of you. It's disgusting that it's happening.

What I laid was conjecture on what Trump would do. That's what I would do. What would BVS do? Do you dispute the numbers?
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:34 PM   #153
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As I replied to you before in just 2013. Among the 36,000 released in 2013 were 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions and 16,070 convictions for driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.



I don't know the grand total when you add up recent years. It's not rhetoric, its journalism getting stats. The numbers and the link are right there in front of you. It's disgusting that it's happening.



What I laid was conjecture on what Trump would do. That's what I would do. What would BVS do? Do you dispute the numbers?

nbelcik showed a link that showed some reality to Lamar's number.

Let's say your numbers are right. Let's do basic percentages. What is the percentage of 36,000 out of 12million? But you're still going to fall for the xeno bs that Mexico sends us its worst and maybe SOME are good people?

Now out of the less than a thousand violent crimes, do you know how many served terms, how long?

Guess what US citizens that have these convictions are released everyday. So why don't we look at the criminal system in general rather than create a boogie man.

I wonder how many sexual assault and dui(s) we'd find under the rug in Washington?

You're getting pissed off at the wrong thing. What causes crime and what are we doing to help it.

Saying Mexicans are the problem isn't a solution, it's just a rally call for shitty people.


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It's not just Mexicans. MS-13 from El Salvador too.

What good is national sovereignty if we have a porous border. It's not xeno, it's a matter of national security. Who else is coming across? ISIS lone wolves. They had a makeshift camp set-up outside Juarez.

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You're getting pissed off at the wrong thing. What causes crime and what are we doing to help it.
So you want a seminar or a hug-in? Well common sense solutions would not be releasing criminal offenders.
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:05 AM   #155
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It's not just Mexicans. MS-13 from El Salvador too.
So should we say all Latinos then, just broaden the threat? I mean seriously, read that sentence again, "it's not just Mexicans".
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What good is national sovereignty if we have a porous border. It's not xeno, it's a matter of national security. Who else is coming across? ISIS lone wolves. They had a makeshift camp set-up outside Juarez.
What if they come thru our military? Shut it down?

So what do you prefer, a moat, barbed wire, or electric fence? You know Republicans have been trying this for decades right? How come it hasn't happened? Is trump going to turn it into a casino and somehow make it sustainable?

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So you want a seminar or a hug-in?
Is this a Fox News rebuttal?



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By all means, continue to ride the Trump train if that's your thing. It certainly isn't going to last too long, and it definitely doesn't have a stop at the White House.
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Old 08-04-2015, 01:24 AM   #158
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He will actually have ICE and DHS enforce the current laws on the books. Which Obama is not doing. You're making Donald's point "Mexico is not sending their best"
I'm not making any point about any Mexican immigrants. I'm asking you questions about Trump.
Here's a quote from the Moonie paper you cited (emphasis added):

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ICE said it had little discretion over most of the criminals it released. The agency said that under a previous court decision, immigrants whose home countries won’t take them back cannot be held indefinitely, so they have to be released after a period of time.
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Does it upset you or make you fearful for your own safety that these criminals are on the streets?
No. I'm not a Republican, so I don't live in constant fear. I'm much more worried about men from my own country getting guns and shooting me when I'm getting my hair cut. Which happened at the salon downstairs from my podiatrist.

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If so, maybe you should listen to what the GOP candidates have to offer to your many questions. This Thursday
I don't actually give a shit about what some anti-choice, racist, Tea Party flunkies "have to offer." I can read, and I have read what they're already saying. Huckabee wants to punch me in the face and thinks troops should be deployed to control my access to family planning. I don't think I need to boost Fox's ratings numbers to get the details on those things. Plus, I'm not even sure which channel is Fox News on my cable box.
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More prisons
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more fear
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kill the pricks
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Investing in prisons is so much more productive than investing in education.
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What good is national sovereignty if we have a porous border. It's not xeno, it's a matter of national security. Who else is coming across? ISIS lone wolves. They had a makeshift camp set-up outside Juarez.

You just lost all credibility. ISIS did not have a camp on the border...it's so ridiculously untrue.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...isismexico.asp


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I've gone from feeling appauled at right wing conspiracy theories and fear monger if to just being fascinated. It's so interesting to me, watching the same lines of thought laid out in different social media venues.

The best thing to do is keep pressing and asking for details and specifics. That's when it gets really weird.
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:25 PM   #163
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Cause snopes is the Bible. It was created to discredit right wing claims.


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If you or anyone truly believes that ISIS has a camp set up in Mexico, then I really, honestly question their intelligence.

It shows that:
1. You don't know the first fucking thing about ISIS, namely their worldview (hint: it's not "death to America"), their philosophies, or their objectives; and
2. You have an alarming lack of critical thinking skills.
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Cause snopes is the Bible. It was created to discredit right wing claims.
No, it was created to discredit false claims. It's not a political thing, it's a factual thing.
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