2012 US Presidential Election Superthread

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Keep in mind that in 2000 the election was decided by a less than 600 vote difference in Florida. That's only a few people saying that one vote won't make a difference. :)
yeah, exactly. your vote always matters and makes a difference. i live in a red state, but there's at least a chance we'll go blue. if i'd gone "fuck it" and voted third party, there's a lesser chance we'd go blue right there. even for something like a more localised election like a senator, it matters.

if you live somewhere like alabama or somewhere in new england where they're incredibly red or blue and there's not even a chance of the state turning even purple, i still look at it as wasting an opportunity to try. this whole trying to change the system by voting third party won't work. i notice my post where i stated our voting system lends itself to a two-party system got completely ignored. anything to keep making the case for third party votes i guess.

i wouldn't advocate speeding because you disagree with the speed limit laws or committing a particular felony because you think it should be a misdemeanour. this system of trying to change the way things are by doing the opposite doesn't work. people have railed against tipping for years by not tipping and have only made themselves look like jerks to their friends and waiters. restaurant owners haven't come any closer to seeing the light and paying waiters a liveable wage.
 
Been in line for over half an hour so far.

Lots of professional under 40s in line.

It's such a crock that voting is on a Tuesday. People have to get to work. I'm glad I have some flexibility but I can see why some people -- particularly the poor, working 2 jobs and likely harder than most of us -- might just say, "fuggit."

Memphis brought me a scone. That was nice.
 
unico said:
I understand what you're saying, but do you think you would still feel that your voice counted if your were a republican in your state voting in the presidential election?

I didn't say anything about Republican, I'd still feel the same. It has nothing to do with party for me. Even in the state I live in. I was talking about not voting and saying that your vote doesn't count.
 
phanan said:
Yes, and Hart's Location is the other, where Obama surprisingly easily won.

Where the heck is that? Sorry, I'm ignorant about little towns like that. In MA too.

Another thing about not voting. Look at all the people who lost everything in Sandy. And they're getting out to vote.
 
Irvine511 said:
It's such a crock that voting is on a Tuesday. People have to get to work. I'm glad I have some flexibility but I can see why some people -- particularly the poor, working 2 jobs and likely harder than most of us -- might just say, "fuggit".

That's why absentee and early voting is so important. Even the early voting places had huge lines. So at least some people will make every effort and they are.
 
I didn't say anything about Republican, I'd still feel the same. It has nothing to do with party for me. Even in the state I live in. I was talking about not voting and saying that your vote doesn't count.

My apologies. I was trying (and did a poor job of it) to make a point about the Electoral College. Your state and the current state I reside in are notorious for going blue with each presidential election. Some colleagues (who often vote republican) of mine from both states feel like their votes don't matter. Yet, they vote every election.
 
Been in line for over half an hour so far.

Lots of professional under 40s in line.

It's such a crock that voting is on a Tuesday. People have to get to work. I'm glad I have some flexibility but I can see why some people -- particularly the poor, working 2 jobs and likely harder than most of us -- might just say, "fuggit."

Memphis brought me a scone. That was nice.
My father has never voted in my lifetime because of work.
 
unico said:
My apologies. I was trying (and did a poor job of it) to make a point about the Electoral College. Your state and the current state I reside in are notorious for going blue with each presidential election. Some colleagues (who often vote republican) of mine from both states feel like their votes don't matter. Yet, they vote every election.

No I got the point you were making . They should vote. It's corny and people will roll their eyes- but people in other countries would love to have the elections that we do. As messed up as politics are here. I still remember those purple/blue fingers in Iraq.

And a 14 year old girl was shot in the head by the Taliban for daring to speak out about education for girls. For me personally, that kills me and makes me appreciate my rights even more.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
No I got the point you were making . They should vote. It's corny and people will roll their eyes- but people in other countries would love to have the elections that we do. As messed up as politics are here. I still remember those purple/blue fingers in Iraq.

And a 14 year old girl was shot in the head by the Taliban for daring to speak out about education for girls. For me personally, that kills me and makes me appreciate my rights even more.

I'm not speaking about the right to vote. I'm simply talking about your "my vote counts" statement. Because if you happen to vote in opposition to what the electoral college typically votes for in your state, then it does not. It's an archaic system and I don't see what purpose it serves here any more.
 
RCP average in the battleground states right now:

Ohio - Obama by 2.9
Florida - Romney by 1.5
Virginia - Obama by 0.3
Iowa - Obama by 2.4
New Hampshire - Obama by 2.0
Pennsylvania - Obama by 3.8
Michigan - Obama by 4.0
Colorado - Obama by 1.5
Nevada - Obama by 2.8
North Carolina - Romney by 3.0
Overall popular vote - Obama by 0.7

The overall popular vote was trending Romney a week ago.
 
Even knocking a couple points off for librulll bias, Obama still favored in most battleground states.
 
It'd be a pretty amazing miracle if that were to happen.

I'd love it if that were the case, mind, it'd be really refreshing, but with the way the party's acting now I'm not holding my breath for that to be a reality anytime soon.

I don't know...Chris Christie might have a lot of pull in 2016, if Romney loses. Some were practically begging him to run this year. He's certainly not the tea party.

As for this election, I think there may be too many states Romney has to pull away. I think he'll get some, like Florida, Colorado, NC, possibly NH. But both Ohio and Virginia? We shall see.
 
I salute you for those other 39 votes, they are important and matter. I just wrote a longer post in the other thread about voting on all ballot items. I could have said that vote will have as much effect as leaving it blank on the outcome of the winner. Voting for one of the two possible winners, your vote will be included in the dialouge.


Water under the bridge now, I changed my plan by voting early instead of late and voted for Obama instead of third party.
 
Chrysler's VP tweeted:

Chrysler gave its entire work force the day off to Vote Today! Let's go! #America
— @RalphGilles via Twitter for iPhone
 
Look what Fox News is trying to stir up:

A Pennsylvania judge is issuing an order to reinstate Republican election officials across Philadelphia who allegedly were ejected or refused entry by on-site Democratic voting chief judges, GOP officials tell Fox News.

One Republican official claimed that "just under 70" Republican election officials were blocked from Philadelphia polling sites Tuesday morning by Democrats on site. One of them, the official claimed, "was shoved out of the polling place."

"For this many inspectors to be ejected from polling places is rare, even for Philadelphia," the official told FoxNews.com.

Further, one polling site in Philadelphia apparently had a mural of President Obama emblazoned on the wall directly behind the voting machines. The mural, at a local school being used as a polling site, contained the words "change!" and "hope," along with a quote from the president.

Republicans were drawing attention to the image Tuesday morning, with one Mitt Romney spokesman tweeting: "Voters in Philly's Ward 35 are being forced to cast their ballots next to this."

Pennsylvania election law states "no person within a polling place may electioneer or solicit votes for any political party, political body, or candidate, nor may any unauthorized written or printed materials be posted within the polling place."

Elsewhere in the city, a representative from the New Black Panther Party was also spotted outside a polling site. The New Black Panthers stirred controversy in 2008 when members appeared outside a polling site, one of them holding a billy club. The representative seen Tuesday morning was not armed.

The flap over the election judges, though, was widespread. Republicans claim they are obtaining a series of court orders to seat the so-called election "inspectors," and sheriff's deputies will be available to escort them.

Despite the high number of officials who were allegedly booted, the dispute itself is not uncommon for Philadelphia. Fred Voigt, legal counsel for the city commissioners, said these kinds of face-offs happen "with regularity" in the City of Brotherly Love.

"It happens all the time," Voigt said. He said court-appointed Republican officials typically show up on Election Day and end up squaring off against stand-in officials at the polling sites filling in the open seats. Part of the problem, he said, is that the Republican inspectors are appointed on relatively short notice, leading to a string of confrontations on Election Day.

"There are no cool heads here," Voigt said.

The on-site election officials are responsible for verifying the identity of voters, and monitoring for signs of fraud or disenfranchisement.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....z2BSkhN3bV
 
That FOX News story was taken down. Maybe something wasn't accurate or fake or...? :shrug:

I think its possible that Democrats can be just as shady. Remember videos from 2008 showing Black Panthers intimidating white voters in - I think - Philadelphia?
 
I mean... is it really stirring up when there's photographic evidence to back up the claims?

Does anybody actually believe that shady election day tactics are only a Republican phenomenon?

No, but it's not very fair and balanced to try to stir up claims that it's only the Democrats who are being shady.
 
If Romney loses by any kind of close margin, that's just the start of it for Fox News. They'll be 24/7 with those kinds of stories.

Of course if Obama loses by a close margin the same kinds of accusations will happen, and MSNBC will be on that 24/7.
 
I'm not speaking about the right to vote. I'm simply talking about your "my vote counts" statement. Because if you happen to vote in opposition to what the electoral college typically votes for in your state, then it does not. It's an archaic system and I don't see what purpose it serves here any more.

I still think it counts in spite of all that. Not to sound all Bill Clinton but it depends on what your definition of counts is. Just for me the fact that I can do it and speak my mind means it counts on a level that's important to me. It counted in MA when people voted in Scott Brown. Obviously that's different because it's not electoral college. I just can't take that attitude, that it doesn't count because of electoral college. Even if it is archaic.
 
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