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2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 11
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Vincent Vega
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Yes, it is. Technically I've entered the US numerous times before I came here. When you enter Ramstein air base or one of the many other bases in south Germany you enter the US.
Scalia at his lecture here on Campus said such judges following the living tree document will lead our country to anarchy since they judge arbitrarily.
Yes, just like countries such as Canada or Germany are anarchic.
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I give this two thumbs up
by Jim Wallis Oct 30th 2008
James Dobson, you owe America an apology. The fictional letter released through your Focus on the Family Action organization, titled "Letter From 2012 in Obama's America", crosses all lines of decent public discourse. In a time of utter political incivility, it shows the kind of negative Christian leadership that has become so embarrassing to so many of your fellow Christians in America. We are weary of this kind of Christian leadership, and that is why so many are forsaking the Religious Right in this election.
This letter offers nothing but fear. It apocalyptically depicts terrorist attacks in American cities, churches losing their tax exempt status for not allowing gay marriages, pornography pushed in front of our children, doctors and nurses forced to perform abortions, euthanasia as commonplace, inner-city crime gone wild because of lack of gun ownership, home schooling banned, restricted religious speech, liberal censorship shutting down conservative talk shows, Christian publishers forced out of business, Israel nuked, power blackouts because of environmental restrictions, brave Christian resisters jailed by a liberal Supreme court, and finally, good Christian families emigrating to Australia and New Zealand.
It is shocking how thoroughly biblical teachings against slander--misrepresentations that damage another's reputation--are ignored (Ephesians 4:29-31, Colossians 3:8, Titus 3:2). Such outrageous predictions not only damage your credibility, they slander Barack Obama who, you should remember, is a brother in Christ, and they insult any Christian who might choose to vote for him.
Let me make this clear: Christians will be voting both ways in this election, informed by their good faith, and based on their views of what are the best public policies and direction for America. But in utter disrespect for the prayerful discernment of your fellow Christians, this letter stirs their ugliest fears, appealing to their worst impulses instead of their best.
Fear is the clear motivator in the letter; especially fear that evangelical Christians might vote for Barack Obama. The letter was very revealing when it suggested that "younger Evangelicals" became the "swing vote" that elected Obama and the results were catastrophic.
You make a mistake when you assume that younger Christians don't care as much as you about the sanctity of life. They do care--very much--but they have a more consistent ethic of life. Both broader and deeper, it is inclusive of abortion, but also of the many other assaults on human life and dignity. For the new generation, poverty, hunger, and disease are also life issues; creation care is a life issue; genocide, torture, the death penalty, and human rights are life issues; war is a life issue. What happens to poor children after they are born is also a life issue.
The America you helped vote into power has lost its moral standing in the world, and even here at home. The America you told Christians to vote for in past elections is now an embarrassment to Christians around the globe, and to the children of your generation of evangelicals. And the vision of America that you still tell Christians to vote for is not the one that many in a new generation of Christians believes expresses their best values and convictions.
Christians should be committed to the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of America, and the church is to live an alternative existence of love and justice, offering a prophetic witness to politics. Elections are full of imperfect choices where we all seek to what is best for the "common good" by applying the values of our faith as best we can.
Dr. Dobson, you of course have the same right as every Christian and every American to vote your own convictions on the issues you most care about, but you have chosen to insult the convictions of millions of other Christians, whose own deeply held faith convictions might motivate them to vote differently than you. This epistle of fear is perhaps the dying gasp of a discredited heterodoxy of conservative religion and conservative politics. But out of that death, a resurrection of biblical politics more faithful to the whole gospel--one that is truly good news--might indeed be coming to life.
by Jim Wallis Oct 30th 2008
James Dobson, you owe America an apology. The fictional letter released through your Focus on the Family Action organization, titled "Letter From 2012 in Obama's America", crosses all lines of decent public discourse. In a time of utter political incivility, it shows the kind of negative Christian leadership that has become so embarrassing to so many of your fellow Christians in America. We are weary of this kind of Christian leadership, and that is why so many are forsaking the Religious Right in this election.
This letter offers nothing but fear. It apocalyptically depicts terrorist attacks in American cities, churches losing their tax exempt status for not allowing gay marriages, pornography pushed in front of our children, doctors and nurses forced to perform abortions, euthanasia as commonplace, inner-city crime gone wild because of lack of gun ownership, home schooling banned, restricted religious speech, liberal censorship shutting down conservative talk shows, Christian publishers forced out of business, Israel nuked, power blackouts because of environmental restrictions, brave Christian resisters jailed by a liberal Supreme court, and finally, good Christian families emigrating to Australia and New Zealand.
It is shocking how thoroughly biblical teachings against slander--misrepresentations that damage another's reputation--are ignored (Ephesians 4:29-31, Colossians 3:8, Titus 3:2). Such outrageous predictions not only damage your credibility, they slander Barack Obama who, you should remember, is a brother in Christ, and they insult any Christian who might choose to vote for him.
Let me make this clear: Christians will be voting both ways in this election, informed by their good faith, and based on their views of what are the best public policies and direction for America. But in utter disrespect for the prayerful discernment of your fellow Christians, this letter stirs their ugliest fears, appealing to their worst impulses instead of their best.
Fear is the clear motivator in the letter; especially fear that evangelical Christians might vote for Barack Obama. The letter was very revealing when it suggested that "younger Evangelicals" became the "swing vote" that elected Obama and the results were catastrophic.
You make a mistake when you assume that younger Christians don't care as much as you about the sanctity of life. They do care--very much--but they have a more consistent ethic of life. Both broader and deeper, it is inclusive of abortion, but also of the many other assaults on human life and dignity. For the new generation, poverty, hunger, and disease are also life issues; creation care is a life issue; genocide, torture, the death penalty, and human rights are life issues; war is a life issue. What happens to poor children after they are born is also a life issue.
The America you helped vote into power has lost its moral standing in the world, and even here at home. The America you told Christians to vote for in past elections is now an embarrassment to Christians around the globe, and to the children of your generation of evangelicals. And the vision of America that you still tell Christians to vote for is not the one that many in a new generation of Christians believes expresses their best values and convictions.
Christians should be committed to the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of America, and the church is to live an alternative existence of love and justice, offering a prophetic witness to politics. Elections are full of imperfect choices where we all seek to what is best for the "common good" by applying the values of our faith as best we can.
Dr. Dobson, you of course have the same right as every Christian and every American to vote your own convictions on the issues you most care about, but you have chosen to insult the convictions of millions of other Christians, whose own deeply held faith convictions might motivate them to vote differently than you. This epistle of fear is perhaps the dying gasp of a discredited heterodoxy of conservative religion and conservative politics. But out of that death, a resurrection of biblical politics more faithful to the whole gospel--one that is truly good news--might indeed be coming to life.
U2isthebest
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All I can say is Hallelujah to that.
He put into words exactly what I feel. Jim Wallis is the best.
He put into words exactly what I feel. Jim Wallis is the best.
Very well said.
out of how many?
Dalton
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I just slapped a few "Focus on your own damn family" stickers on some cars.
Dalton
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Your students are racist. What are you going to do about that?
U2isthebest
ONE love, blood, life
In all seriousness, that's what I want to say all these 'conservative, focus on the family, OMG teh gayz and proz-abortionzzz' people.
Dalton
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To be fair, the gayz are really scary. I hear some of them are asexual and they are breeding an army of supergayz.
Its like V all over again.
Its like V all over again.
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Dalton
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I was a form of asexual through most of high school.
Dalton
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That's not the craziest thing about the homo agenda that I've heard in hear...
I thought the gay agenda would be better dressed.
Irvine511
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Dalton
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dazzledbylight
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Irvine511
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hey, that's cool. he probably isn't. i mean, i know his performance in Road House is the reason you joined Drama Club. so i'm sure you're right.
i really like your new shoes. did you get them at DSW? yeah, i like that store too. we should totally go shopping there sometime! you want to? afterwards, we can go over to my house. i've got some wine coolers, we can watch "Dirty Dancing" and every time Swayze takes his shirt off, we'll drink! doesn't that sound like fun?
my overbearing, dramatic mother isn't around too much. she has to work two jobs since my shrinking violet of a father walked out on us leaving me craving affirmative, muscular Christian male attention. man, if i had a dad around, i'd totally be on the football team and not in drama club.
how did i get the booze? it was easy. i just did some favors for this guy in the parking lot.
got any Scope?
Dalton
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dazzledbylight
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( and don't forget that #turncoat#-- Martin! )
kellyahern
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I was at the Sarasota Obama rally today.
I only wish 4,000 of those people had been bused in - it took me forever to get out of the parking lot
Bluer White
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I think the primary vote was more telling than the national election will be. Check out the primary polls of African-Americans regarding Obama vs. Clinton. Two candidates, virtually the same platform.
It's a landslide win for Obama, complete landslide. I wouldn't quite call it racism. But it is human nature.
Lila64
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Very cool kelly!
BluerWhite - I'm wondering if my friend is a racist. She would have voted for Hillary, but between Obama/McCain, she doesn't know who to vote for. Her husband is voting for McCain, since all political stuff he sends me is bullshit (refuted by snopes & other sites) and he calls what I send him bullshit. I asked her (the wife) a few simple questions the other day after refuting her email, asking who she would vote for (she responded HRC before Obama was chosen) and hasn't answered anything else political since
BluerWhite - I'm wondering if my friend is a racist. She would have voted for Hillary, but between Obama/McCain, she doesn't know who to vote for. Her husband is voting for McCain, since all political stuff he sends me is bullshit (refuted by snopes & other sites) and he calls what I send him bullshit. I asked her (the wife) a few simple questions the other day after refuting her email, asking who she would vote for (she responded HRC before Obama was chosen) and hasn't answered anything else political since
Bluer White
New Yorker
Very cool kelly!
BluerWhite - I'm wondering if my friend is a racist. She would have voted for Hillary, but between Obama/McCain, she doesn't know who to vote for. Her husband is voting for McCain, since all political stuff he sends me is bullshit (refuted by snopes & other sites) and he calls what I send him bullshit. I asked her (the wife) a few simple questions the other day after refuting her email, asking who she would vote for (she responded HRC before Obama was chosen) and hasn't answered anything else political since
Well, if your friend felt very strongly about Hillary's platform, and is now torn between McCain and Obama.......well, maybe yes! Race could be a factor for her. There may be a few other issues in play, but race could clearly be a factor.
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Precisely because Obama's and Hillary's platforms were so similar, I can easily understand people who prefer Democratic policies on taxes, health care and so on finding the historic appeal of an African-American (male?) candidate, or a (white?) woman candidate, to have been a deciding factor in their primary vote. What I don't get is people who were Hillary all the way during the primaries suddenly being McCain all the way when it was clear she wouldn't be the Democratic nominee. I feel the same way about a couple Republicans I know who were Romney fans during the primaries, then switched to Obama when they saw Romney wasn't going to win. It seems to me these people couldn't possibly have ever been considering policies very carefully. It's harder to generalize about true independents, because some of them are folks who lean one party's way on some issues but the other party's way on others, whereas other independents seem to be basically 'go with my gut' voters who can't articulate much about why their preferred candidate's policies seem better to them.
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Interesting little chart related to all this "socialism" banter.
Well that's a bit odd...
Well that's a bit odd...
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