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Old 11-03-2008, 09:44 PM   #931
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But, why the f*ck do we even have the Electoral College????


It is the stupidest concept in any election process.
I don't see how you'll get rid of it.

Maybe if someday you have a candidate who wins by 8-10 points and loses the electoral college, you will see an immense shift. But mathematically speaking, such an outcome is unlikely.

And you will always find 13 states who will never and I mean NEVER agree to an amendment in this regard.
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anitram's right, I don't expect it in our lifetimes.
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which polls?
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Latest Polls
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anitram's right, I don't expect it in our lifetimes.
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I don't see how you'll get rid of it.

Maybe if someday you have a candidate who wins by 8-10 points and loses the electoral college, you will see an immense shift. But mathematically speaking, such an outcome is unlikely.

And you will always find 13 states who will never and I mean NEVER agree to an amendment in this regard.
forget those 13 states

we only need 11 or 12 States to drive a stake through the heart of the Electoral College



National Popular Vote -- Electoral college reform by direct election of the President
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I'm watching Obama's rally in Virginia!

Watch Live: Obama's Final Pre-Election Rally
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I love this.
Tried to make this my signature yesterday but discovered I'm not allowed to have a sig. Bummer.

*wonders if I will be allowed to read the latest Rolling Stone magazine in line in the morning. It has a picture of Obama on the front.*
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Man, the Republican PACs are really hammering with the attack ads tonight...
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Dixville Notch the little town in NH that votes at midnight went Democratic for the first time in 40 years and only the 2nd time ever.

15-6 for Obama. (It went 19-7 for Bush in 2004 and 20-5 for Bush in 2000)

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Dixville Notch the little town in NH that votes at midnight went Democratic for the first time in 40 years and only the 2nd time ever.

15-6 for Obama. (It went 19-7 for Bush in 2004 and 20-5 for Bush in 2000)

Presumably Fox News are predicting a landslide win to McCain on those figures.
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Speaking of the Electoral College...this rather nifty graphic from yesterday's New York Times shows each state sized to represent the relative influence of its individual voters in a presidential election. The numbers show how many EC delegates each state has, and how many eligible voters each of its delegates represents.

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After 2000 I re-thought the Electoral College.

All the stuff I was taught about it being a good idea so the big states would not dominate the small states, soon went out the window.


mathematically

a candidate could lose the popular vote 78% to 22% but win the electoral college


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This system, along with the winner-take-all practice used to allocate most states’ electoral votes, creates the potential for an absurd outcome. In the unlikely event that all 213 million eligible voters cast ballots, either John McCain or Barack Obama could win enough states to capture the White House with only 47.8 million strategically located votes. The presidency could be won with just 22 percent of the electorate’s support, only 16 percent of the entire population’s.
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I'm not a great fan of Starbucks, but free coffee is always welcome.
I just read that Krispy Kreme and Chick-Fil-A will be giving away red-white-and-blue donuts and fried chicken sandwiches respectively. So if you're a good liar, you can put yourself together a yummy all-American picnic of coffee, donut, sandwich and ice cream tomorrow! Admit it, no socialist country would ever offer you a deal like that.
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The closest Krispy Kreme to me is about 30 miles away. I haz sad!
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I just read that Krispy Kreme and Chick-Fil-A will be giving away red-white-and-blue donuts and fried chicken sandwiches respectively. So if you're a good liar, you can put yourself together a yummy all-American picnic of coffee, donut, sandwich and ice cream tomorrow! Admit it, no socialist country would ever offer you a deal like that.
You are right, couldn't imagine socialist Germany creating such incentives to vote. All the former GDR could come up with was putting an armed VoPo ("Volkspolice") behind you to help you with the ballot.

But mind you, I live in deep Montana. Neither a Ben & Jerry's, nor a Krispy Kreme, nor a Chick-Fil-A. No all-American picnic for me.
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