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Old 10-30-2008, 04:15 PM   #661
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Diamond is definitely bringing the extra strength crazy this morning
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So my ex-husband, because his father was stationed in the military, could not run for President because he was born in Germany? Or is the military base on foreign soil considered American soil?
Yes, it is. Technically I've entered the US numerous times before I came here. When you enter Ramstein air base or one of the many other bases in south Germany you enter the US.

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“Just this past week, we saw what Barack Obama said about judges,” Bond said. “He said, ‘I’m tired of these judges who want to follow what the Founding Fathers said and the Constitution. I want judges who have a heart, have an empathy for the teenage mom, the minority, the gay, the disabled. We want them to show empathy. We want them to show compassion.’”
Scalia at his lecture here on Campus said such judges following the living tree document will lead our country to anarchy since they judge arbitrarily.

Yes, just like countries such as Canada or Germany are anarchic.
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by Jim Wallis Oct 30th 2008

James Dobson, you owe America an apology. The fictional letter released through your Focus on the Family Action organization, titled "Letter From 2012 in Obama's America", crosses all lines of decent public discourse. In a time of utter political incivility, it shows the kind of negative Christian leadership that has become so embarrassing to so many of your fellow Christians in America. We are weary of this kind of Christian leadership, and that is why so many are forsaking the Religious Right in this election.

This letter offers nothing but fear. It apocalyptically depicts terrorist attacks in American cities, churches losing their tax exempt status for not allowing gay marriages, pornography pushed in front of our children, doctors and nurses forced to perform abortions, euthanasia as commonplace, inner-city crime gone wild because of lack of gun ownership, home schooling banned, restricted religious speech, liberal censorship shutting down conservative talk shows, Christian publishers forced out of business, Israel nuked, power blackouts because of environmental restrictions, brave Christian resisters jailed by a liberal Supreme court, and finally, good Christian families emigrating to Australia and New Zealand.

It is shocking how thoroughly biblical teachings against slander--misrepresentations that damage another's reputation--are ignored (Ephesians 4:29-31, Colossians 3:8, Titus 3:2). Such outrageous predictions not only damage your credibility, they slander Barack Obama who, you should remember, is a brother in Christ, and they insult any Christian who might choose to vote for him.

Let me make this clear: Christians will be voting both ways in this election, informed by their good faith, and based on their views of what are the best public policies and direction for America. But in utter disrespect for the prayerful discernment of your fellow Christians, this letter stirs their ugliest fears, appealing to their worst impulses instead of their best.

Fear is the clear motivator in the letter; especially fear that evangelical Christians might vote for Barack Obama. The letter was very revealing when it suggested that "younger Evangelicals" became the "swing vote" that elected Obama and the results were catastrophic.

You make a mistake when you assume that younger Christians don't care as much as you about the sanctity of life. They do care--very much--but they have a more consistent ethic of life. Both broader and deeper, it is inclusive of abortion, but also of the many other assaults on human life and dignity. For the new generation, poverty, hunger, and disease are also life issues; creation care is a life issue; genocide, torture, the death penalty, and human rights are life issues; war is a life issue. What happens to poor children after they are born is also a life issue.

The America you helped vote into power has lost its moral standing in the world, and even here at home. The America you told Christians to vote for in past elections is now an embarrassment to Christians around the globe, and to the children of your generation of evangelicals. And the vision of America that you still tell Christians to vote for is not the one that many in a new generation of Christians believes expresses their best values and convictions.

Christians should be committed to the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of America, and the church is to live an alternative existence of love and justice, offering a prophetic witness to politics. Elections are full of imperfect choices where we all seek to what is best for the "common good" by applying the values of our faith as best we can.

Dr. Dobson, you of course have the same right as every Christian and every American to vote your own convictions on the issues you most care about, but you have chosen to insult the convictions of millions of other Christians, whose own deeply held faith convictions might motivate them to vote differently than you. This epistle of fear is perhaps the dying gasp of a discredited heterodoxy of conservative religion and conservative politics. But out of that death, a resurrection of biblical politics more faithful to the whole gospel--one that is truly good news--might indeed be coming to life.
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All I can say is Hallelujah to that. He put into words exactly what I feel. Jim Wallis is the best.
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Very well said.
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My students voted today....Obama won by fifty votes.
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out of how many?
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I just slapped a few "Focus on your own damn family" stickers on some cars.
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My students voted today....Obama won by fifty votes.
Your students are racist. What are you going to do about that?
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I just slapped a few "Focus on your own damn family" stickers on some cars.
In all seriousness, that's what I want to say all these 'conservative, focus on the family, OMG teh gayz and proz-abortionzzz' people.
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To be fair, the gayz are really scary. I hear some of them are asexual and they are breeding an army of supergayz.

Its like V all over again.
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To be fair, the gayz are really scary. I hear some of them are asexual and they are breeding an army of supergayz.

That's not the craziest thing about the homo agenda that I've heard in hear...

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I was a form of asexual through most of high school.
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That's not the craziest thing about the homo agenda that I've heard in hear...

I thought the gay agenda would be better dressed.
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I was a form of asexual through most of high school.



you were likely eminently recruitable.

what with that avatar and all.
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