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Old 10-29-2008, 10:07 PM   #556
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^ Like all those Obama supporters saying "I don't want a white man running my country"?
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Ironically enough I was giving a presentation on Obama's policies during the ad, so I'll have to watch it tomorrow when I have time
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^ Like all those Obama supporters saying "I don't want a white man running my country"?
I can't decide if it's my white guilt or simply self-hatred that's causing me to vote for Obama.
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^ Like all those Obama supporters saying "I don't want a white man running my country"?
Like some of my students this and last year (who are seniors and therefore mostly eligible to vote) saying "I just think it's time that we had a black president.."

Mind you, these are white kids in northern minnesota.
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LARRY KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist do you?

JOHN MCCAIN: "No, but i do believe that he has been in the far left of American politics and stated time after time that he believes in spreading the wealth around. He has talked about courts that redistribute the wealth. He has a record of voting against tax cuts. And for tax increases."
There is a video (on youtube) out there where she, Sarah Palin, talks about having "spread the wealth" amoung Alaskians with the oil profits.
She needs to stop talking down the very issue(s) she's implemented in her own state.
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Like my students this and last year (who are seniors and therefore mostly eligible to vote) saying "I just think it's time that we had a black president.."
That's lame, but it's not racist. Comparing them to someone sneering about how they "don't want a black man running my country" is a false analogy.
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That's lame, but it's not racist. Comparing them to someone sneering about how they "don't want a black man running my country" is a false analogy.

I would argue it's the exact opposite. How is voting for someone because of their race not the exact same thing as not voting for someone because of their race. Or is racism okay when it benefits your guy?


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." --MLK

All I'm saying that racism is playing for and against Obama (and therefore for and against McCain at the same time), which is a shame.
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I would argue it's the exact opposite. How is voting for someone because of their race not the exact same thing as not voting for someone because of their race. Or is racism okay when it benefits your guy?


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." --MLK

All I'm saying that racism is playing for and against Obama (and therefore for and against McCain at the same time), which is a shame.
Whoa! Well articulated.
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How is voting for someone because of their race not the exact same thing as not voting for someone because of their race.
Racism is based on discrimination, that's why it's not the same. If you're deeming white people 'racist' for favoring a candidate who's black over a candidate who's white, then you're suggesting they hold discriminatory views towards white people. It's an essential component of the definition.
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I would argue it's the exact opposite. How is voting for someone because of their race not the exact same thing as not voting for someone because of their race. Or is racism okay when it benefits your guy?


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." --MLK

All I'm saying that racism is playing for and against Obama (and therefore for and against McCain at the same time), which is a shame.
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Whoa! Well articulated.
Well I'm disturbed, but not exactly shocked that the two of you don't understand the definition of racism.
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Racism is based on discrimination, that's why it not the same. If you're deeming white people 'racist' for favoring a candidate who's black over a candidate who's white, then you're suggesting they hold discriminatory views towards white people. It's an essential component of the definition.


Plain and simple: If a white person does not vote for a black person because of their race, it's racism. If a white person votes for a black peson because of their race, it's racism. If a black persion votes for a black person because of their race, it's racism. If a white person votes for a black person because of their race, it's racism.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." --MLK

Character, principles and policies are what matter, yet some people in this election will vote because of the color of their candidate(which in your words, is what is "lame")...When race is the defining reason for voting for or against s candidate, it is racism.
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It's not plain and simple.

And it isn't at all what the word racism is understood to be nor how it is used socially.
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OBAMA!!!!










sorry.......had to be done.
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Well I'm disturbed, but not exactly shocked that the two of you don't understand the definition of racism.

LOL!!! I'm disturbed that you think racism is okay...if it benefits you and your candidate.

Pray tell, what is racism??? If voting for someone because of their race is not racism is, what the fuck is racism? I have given a specific examples of some people saying they will vote for a candidate because of race, and others have given examples of not voting for a candidate because of race. How is that different???

Put it another way..If all white people in the U.S.A. voted for a white candidate ONLY because he is white while rejecting a far superior black candidate, costing the black candidate the election, is that not racism?? How bout vice versa?
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It's not plain and simple.

And it isn't at all what the word racism is understood to be nor how it is used socially.
Yes, it really is. It's just that your guy is up in the polls and the electoral vote.

Anything to win, right? Would you feel the same way if white people said "I'm going to vote because McCain is white."?????

Racism, either way, is never okay.
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