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Old 10-09-2008, 03:39 AM   #76
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The one lady though, who said that Obama might be a terrorist "because he has the lineage." . . . wtf?

What about Timothy McVeigh? Did he also "have the lineage?"

Why does no one ever talk about the worst act of terrorism on U.S. soil pre-9/11? How does Okalahoma City fit into all this?

If the guy with the camera were smarter he would have followed up with that!
I was at work when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, so it was pretty much all anyone talked about that day. One thing that I've remembered very clearly was that several people I talked to said it had to be Arab terrorists. That didn't make sense to me (I figured someone from another country who wanted to bomb a location in the US probably wouldn't think "Oklahoma City, yeah, that's the place!") so I asked why they thought that. The answer was "because they used a truck bomb -- only Arab terrorists use those."

Yep. People are stupid.
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Obama didn't pick Hillary, and most agree right or left that Hillary has twice the IQ as "God Love Ya Joe Biden".

Perhaps O is really the one that was afraid of a strong, smart woman-in not picking Hillary.

By the looks of it strong smart women tend to gravitate to Johnny Mac.



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I think sometimes you purposely miss the point. Obama didn't choose Hillary for many reasons, none of which was because she's a smart woman, just look at his wife. McCain on the other hand, and I'm being completely honest non-partisan, I don't think he really gets women. I really don't.
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McCain made a short sighted decision with Palin, he picked someone that would help him get to Nov 4.

Obama made a long term decision with Biden, he picked someone that he could govern with, that he knew would be good to have at his side when things get tough. If Obama wanted to be short sighted like McCain, he could have gone with Hillary. But he's smarter than that.
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Yes, but the world knows that Joe is only half the man Hillary is.




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Oh diamond, why do we even spend time on you?


When it comes to governing, it is not Hillary, it is Bill that would make things difficult.


Joe Biden was a wise, forward thinking choice by Obama. There. I've said my piece, back to work. There's an election to be won.
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When it comes to governing, it is not Hillary, it is Bill that would make things difficult.
And this sums everything up. I think Bill Clinton will go down in history as one of our best presidents. His charisma and compassion have been met only by Obama in recent U.S. political history. However, if he was anywhere near the presidency, even as the husband of the VP, his shadow would eclipse Obama's. A president cannot govern effectively when they're playing second fiddle to someone else.
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A terrific blooper:

YouTube - Joe Biden Introduced As John McCain Next Vice President (Blooper)

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John McCain, the next VP?

Sarah "In a Palin/McCain administration..."Palin seems to think so.


ETA: Sure beats the hell out of calling us his fellow Americans. He's switching up the game, gettin' all mavericky up in our grillz. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_133037.html
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And this sums everything up. I think Bill Clinton will go down in history as one of our best presidents. His charisma and compassion have been met only by Obama in recent U.S. political history. However, if he was anywhere near the presidency, even as the husband of the VP, his shadow would eclipse Obama's. A president cannot govern effectively when they're playing second fiddle to someone else.


how old were you when bill was in office?


and according to you by asserting that bill knows how do be an 'effective leader', don't you think he would know when to stand down if his spouse were in office?

don't great leaders know how do that, or does bill's out of control 'chrismo and compassion' supercede his leadership skills?

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Here is a perfect example of the celebration of ignorance and stupidity by the right:

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– “When Obama says Pock-i-stahn I have an uncontrollable urge to read the New Yorker and find some Chardonnay. Fortunately I have an old copy of NR and a Coors Light to snap me back to reality. Seriously though — no one in flyover country says Pock-i-stahn. It’s annoying.” [E-mail posted by Kathryn Jean Lopez]

– “Re Senator Obama’s ostentatiously exotic pronunciation of Pakistan, one thing I like about Sarah Palin is the way she says ‘Eye-raq’.” [Mark Steyn]

– “Most overwrought pronunciation of the night: The academic way that Obama says ‘Pakistan,’ with a soft ‘a’ - reminscent of a 1980s ‘Saturday Night Live’ sketch in which newscasters over-pronounced ‘Managua, Nicaragua.’” [Philadelphia Daily News]

– “Drinking Game: A shot every time the candidates pronounce ‘Pakistan’ or ‘Taliban’ in an annoying way?” [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Even the Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder liveblogged yesterday, “Noticing that Obama says Pahk-istan and McCain says Pack-istan.” However, Gen. David Petraeus also pronounces Pakistan with a soft “a,” the same as Obama.
Yes, let's celebrate incorrec pronunciations of foreign places. After all, who the hell cares what the right way is, the American way is BEST!! Don't be such effete liberal intellectuals.

David Brooks (Republican for those keeping score) really put it best when he stated that:

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[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. He [Bill Buckley] thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.
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how old were you when bill was in office?


and according to you by asserting that bill knows how do be an 'effective leader', don't you think he would know when to stand down?

don't great leaders know how do that, or does bill's 'chrismo and compassion' supercede his leadership skills?

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Your hatred for Bill Clinton makes it impossible to reason with you, so I'm not even going to try. I don't know what difference my age makes, but if you must know, I was 4 when Clinton got elected and 12 when he left office. I am able to read and listen, though, so I've learned a lot about the laws passed and reforms he made as president, and I think they prove that he was one of our country's best. I wasn't even alive during the Lincoln, FDR, or Kennedy administrations, for example, but I've read and learned a great deal about them, and I feel that they're also among our country's best presidents.
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i don't hate anyone.

ps-

you left out reagan as being a great president.

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and according to you by asserting that bill knows how do be an 'effective leader', don't you think he would know when to stand down if his spouse were in office?

don't great leaders know how do that, or does bill's out of control 'chrismo and compassion' supercede his leadership skills?

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You're not understanding. The Dem party has been the Clinton's party for a while now, they either had to take first chair or pass the baton, second chair would have created uneasy balances of power. It has nothing to do with Bill knowing when to stand down, his presence there alone would cause old alliances.
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i don't hate anyone.

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you left out reagan as being a great president.

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I don't feel that Reagan was a great president. I find him highly overrated especially in his asinine trickle-down economics philosophy and his defense policies (i.e. the massive waste of money that was STAR WARS). I give him credit for helping to end the Cold War and standing firm to Gorbachev, but I don't feel he belongs on a list of our best presidents.
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You're not understanding. The Dem party has been the Clinton's party for a while now, they either had to take first chair or pass the baton, second chair would have created uneasy balances of power. It has nothing to do with Bill knowing when to stand down, his presence there alone would cause old alliances.
Thank you. You said that clearer than I did.
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