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Old 10-22-2008, 08:08 PM   #871
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WTF is McCain saying here? I think he needs a nap.

YouTube - McCain on Western PA: WTAE-NBC-PA 10/21/08



BTW, I really want a President who inspires a crowd to "boo" other people on a daily basis.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:23 PM   #872
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they're not booing. they're saying buuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrnnns!
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To agree or to disagree?

Good question.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:28 PM   #874
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they're not booing. they're saying buuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrnnns!
See, I was torn between whether they were booing or saying "Manuuuuuuuute" in honor of former basketball behemoth Manute Bol.

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I really, really, really hate this ultra divisive "this is where people love their country" crap that the McCain campaign is peddling. As if those in big towns don't love their country/work hard for their families/serve their communities/etc. It's pathetic, it's insulting, and in an ideal world should pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of anyone seeking to hold the office of President of the United States of America.

Is this the kind of tenor people want from the President? Someone who freely questions the patriotism of millions of Americans? Someone who all but directly calls his opponent a terrorist, and is proud of that message? I was going to say that John McCain is better than that, but I'm not so sure anymore. I'd like to say that at one point he was better than this.

This country deserves better than the John McCain of today.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:48 PM   #876
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So if Republicans are not small government and what are Democrats?
You make an artform of missing points. The point is Republicans are claiming to be small government attack Dems by comparing them to communists and socialists but then turn around and play big government themselves.

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Yes there are big government Republicans but that's what McCain and Palin want to change.
Then you haven't been paying attention to their platform.

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Yeah when I read Symposium it was exactly what I thought. There's an entire section where a general is trying hard to screw Socrates. You have to read it to believe it. At least Plato focused on the goal of looking at love being in different levels and love of the forms being the best, the next best love of character, and the least a love of the flesh.
No, I know what it says, I was just appalled at the stretch you were trying to make... but I guess it's another one of those bigotries you are unable to recognise.


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No contradiction. I was talking about what an individual should do in regards to savings.
I give up... That is not what you said, and I wasn't the only one that called you out on it.

I'm not going to comment on your mixture of personal economy with national and global economy...


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All democracies have lobbyists that compete for tax payers money. They all vote for parties that support their funding. Why do you think McCain and Palin are scary to those people? It's their jobs. If a person has a useless job in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac they will donate money and vote for parties that protect them. If special interests get their way most of the time people who vote (and aren't part of a special interest group) feel that politicians never do what they are supposed to and follow lobbyists first. This adds to voter apathy.
WHAT?

McCain is scared of lobbyists? He has very very close ties to lobbyists. You do realize that oil, tabacco, and many others have lobbyists as well, right?

But none of this has to do with "redistributionist policies" which was your whole premise.
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To be fair, I think in that particular case McCain was specifically responding to Murtha's publically characterizing Western Pennsylvania as "redneck."
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WTF is McCain saying here? I think he needs a nap.
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he needs a power nap.

heres a better vid:

YouTube - New Video released of POW- John McCain Prisoner of War
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You make an artform of missing points. The point is Republicans are claiming to be small government attack Dems by comparing them to communists and socialists but then turn around and play big government themselves.

Then you haven't been paying attention to their platform.

It's not an artform. There are 2 sets of conservatives. In fact Rush could probably tell you more about the divide. Conservatives who want small government do exist. Some are trying to move to the left and some even support Obama now. Others are not. The public was supporting big spending in the Republicans because they were demanding entitlements. Conservatives in the Republican party were always against it.

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No, I know what it says, I was just appalled at the stretch you were trying to make... but I guess it's another one of those bigotries you are unable to recognise.
So you approve of targeting young boys? You should be embarrased. The abuse in ancient Greece was institutional. Even parents were okay with their boy having men call on them and bring gifts. I'd rather be called a bigot and protect minors than feed them to the perverted wolves.

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I give up... That is not what you said, and I wasn't the only one that called you out on it.

I'm not going to comment on your mixture of personal economy with national and global economy...
Don't misunderestimate me!!!!

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WHAT?

McCain is scared of lobbyists? He has very very close ties to lobbyists. You do realize that oil, tabacco, and many others have lobbyists as well, right?

But none of this has to do with "redistributionist policies" which was your whole premise.
He wants to change that. If you don't believe that he's changed you may have a point. He even flirted with joining the democratic party. I think he's changed a new leaf when he picked Sarah Palin. I trust them to handle the economy better than Obama/Biden who love lobbyists and want to expand government.

Now answer this question. Would Obama be better at dealing with lobbyists?

Unless the democratic party moves right and the republicans move left I really see the future of good economics coming from the small government conservatives in the Republican party. Whether you think they exist or not.

With the "fairness" doctrine maybe they won't exist:



Eyeblast.tv - Joy Behar: 'Rush Limbaugh Is A Terrorist'
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Once again----John McCain had his arms broken and was tortured, therefore he has everything it takes to be President of the United States!


And please, don't misconstrue this as belittling McCain's experience, as you and others have done repeatedly when people make this argument. What I'm doing instead is belittling the fact that McCain and his supporters peddle his POW experience as the be-all, end-all qualification for the Presidency. I get it. He was a fucking POW. I have a great deal of respect for that. I still think he'll be a shitty President. Give it a rest.
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WTF is McCain saying here? I think he needs a nap.

YouTube - McCain on Western PA: WTAE-NBC-PA 10/21/08



BTW, I really want a President who inspires a crowd to "boo" other people on a daily basis.
Rep. Murtha Clarifies 'Racist' Remark, Calls Western Pa. 'Redneck' - FOXNews.com Elections

This is what he's talking about.
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Yeah. I know that.

I'm just not sure McCain knows what McCain's talking about.
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Seriously though, who in the hell with half a brain is going to support McCain's latest ad linking Obama to terrorists hijacking airplaines?

Who?

I'm looking at YOU purple, diamond, sting2..........


THAT's American???????


Please, answer me with something that will convince me McCain is not a complete shithead.
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Seriously though, who in the hell with half a brain is going to support McCain's latest ad linking Obama to terrorists hijacking airplaines?

Who?

I'm looking at YOU purple, diamond, sting2..........


THAT's American???????


Please, answer me with something that will convince me McCain is not a complete shithead.

Who ? A lot of easily-swayed not too smart REAL Americans yee-hah

The next 2 weeks will be a relentless diet of Muslim/Un-American/Rhymes with Osama/Dirty tricks brigade, and all the morons who deserve what they get. I have a bad feeling about this........
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i guess we're all dumb.

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