2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 10.

[yolland]

Yes, let's celebrate incorrec pronunciations of foreign places. After all, who the hell cares what the right way is, the American way is BEST!! Don't be such effete liberal intellectuals.

Eh. I don't really think the pronunciation issues amount to much one way or the other. Webster's, American Heritage etc. have recognized both pronunciations of 'Pakistan' as acceptable for many years now, and even the OED accepts two different ways of pronouncing it in British English. Eye-rack for 'Iraq' is maybe a little more questionable (and not currently recognized by either dictionary), but US journalists have been using that one for decades too, as they have multiple variations on 'Iran'. And if you watched much US Hurricane Katrina coverage, clearly we can't even agree on how to pronounce 'New Orleans.' Yes, it's stupid when people interpret Obama's pronunciation of 'Pakistan' as proof of holier-than-thou snobbery, but at the same time the reality is we have no hard-and-fast rules for resolving whether and when a foreign place-name officially gets its own unique Anglicized or American pronunciation (like 'Paris' and 'Mexico' clearly have) vs. when it's still disputed territory.

 

[anitram]

Eh. I don't really think the pronunciation issues amount to much one way or the other.

Nobody would be bringing them up were it not for Steyn and other idiotic conservative writers finding something about Obama to kvetch about.

 

[INDY500]

....just imagine a While Light around Barack

You don't have to imagine such a thing,

just pickup a copy of Time

or Newsweek

or Rolling Stone

 

[Harry Vest]

You don't have to imagine such a thing,

just pickup a copy of Time

or Newsweek

or Rolling Stone

As much as I would love to see the Republican's tossed out once and for all and would like to see an Obama administration...I still think that's a little creepy...I can only imagine what the anti-Obama forces out there think. Geez.

 

[JOFO]

Yeah but man, he's the first African American candidate, and he's savy, intelligent, charasmatic, prodigious, and young.

Hell, I'd say he deseves the praise.


HOWEVER:

Remember this: If Obama is elected, it's still going to take at least a decade to get the U.S. out of this shithole we're in. And NO ONE can do that in 4 years, or probably even 8.
Which means people will be hounding Obama after 2 weeks or 7 years in office.

 

[INDY500]

that's a little creepy

roger... copy that Houston

 

[Earnie Shavers]

It’s a little creepy but makes sense. I’ve seen covers like that for McCain, Palin, Clinton (x2), but they’re not going to sell magazines like Obama would, hence you see a lot more of them for him. Pretty simple.

 

[yolland]

I was under the impression that the RS cover was intentionally tongue-in-cheek. The other two clearly involve cover stories about Obama as historic figure (which he is) and thus an intentionally iconic shot makes sense. Sorry, I'm not seeing a creepy librul-media conspiracy to subliminally deify him here.

 

[JOFO]

He's no deiety, but he is
THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERCIAN TO HAVE THE NOMINATION.


.....and he's
PROBABLY GOING TO WIN.


and he's
INTELLIGENT.
SAVY.
WITTY.

and so on.....he is without a doubt, a figure that goes down in history.
And so on a positive note so far.

 

[Earnie Shavers]

But in the last few days I’ve learned that he’s a:
- socialist
- Marxist
- terrorist
- Muslim
- (and that those last two might be the same thing anyway)

Will the magazine covers change? No? SEE!!!!! Liberal biased media!

 

[JOFO]

GTF outta here.

 

[maycocksean]

YouTube - Part 2 - The McCain-Palin Mob in Strongsville, Ohio

Watching the follow up to the first video here, I found myself really growing angry. . .

. . .At the jerk who made this video. Any McCain supporters who want to critique this video won't get any argument from me.

The guy's questions are asinine and so obviously designed to bait the questioners and set them up to say things that will make them look stupid. They may not be sharp enough to see through McCain/Palin's anti-Obama propaganda but they're smart enough to know when they're being set up.

And when he talked to the black guy. . .just WRONG. . .He should vote for Obama because just because he's black? Please. . .

To be frank none of the Americans on this video make our country look very good and that includes the condescending guy who made it.

 

[Harry Vest]

Watching the follow up to the first video here, I found myself really growing angry. . .

. . .At the jerk who made this video. Any McCain supporters who want to critique this video won't get any argument from me.

The guy's questions are asinine and so obviously designed to bait the questioners and set them up to say things that will make them look stupid. They may not be sharp enough to see through McCain/Palin's anti-Obama propaganda but they're smart enough to know when they're being set up.

And when he talked to the black guy. . .just WRONG. . .He should vote for Obama because just because he's black? Please. . .

To be frank none of the Americans on this video make our country look very good and that includes the condescending guy who made it.

I agree with you 100 percent!!!!!

 

[corianderstem]

The interviewer was definitely obnoxious, but I swear I'm going to be visited in my nightmares by that blonde lady with the crazy eyes ....

 

[A_Wanderer]

But in the last few days I’ve learned that he’s a:
- socialist
- Marxist
- terrorist
- Muslim
- (and that those last two might be the same thing anyway)

Will the magazine covers change? No? SEE!!!!! Liberal biased media!

Will we have a nice blind spot that a lot of these charges were coming from XX democrats a few months ago?

 

[Night & Day]

Here's John from yesterday, feeding the flames of senility:

YouTube - Mccain Losing it - "My fellow Prisoners"

Add a "F" to that.

wtf?

Palin's face after...
priceless.

or...did she even notice?

 

[INDY500]

I was under the impression that the RS cover was intentionally tongue-in-cheek.

What are they satirizing if not other magazines and their messianic images? Other magazines claiming to be objective by the way.

The other two clearly involve cover stories about Obama as historic figure (which he is) and thus an intentionally iconic shot makes sense. Sorry, I'm not seeing a creepy librul-media conspiracy to subliminally deify him here.

Maybe once, but twice?

Still not seeing?

 

[yolland]

No, to me the intended visual metaphor there (in the second one) is facing into the headlights, i.e. submitting yourself for scrutiny. Which again fits with what the headline says. Plus if I were a deity I'd make sure my ears didn't stick out like that.

 

[Utoo]

McCain's had his share of illuminated backgrounds. Just a little dimmer. <Insert joke here>

 

[BVS]

No, it's a librul conspiracy don't you get it?

 

[Irvine511]

maybe those Hillary voters

you had such disdain for

are coming over your way?

i continue to have disdain

if a voter will vote for someone on account of their race

as the WVA polls in the primary indicated that close to 10%* of HRC's voters did.

and for anyone who falls for false folky-ness.

why can't they just listen to John Denver, and then vote on actual policies that will make their lives better?




*i might be misremembering that, but it was something close to that and i have to make a very important phone call in 10 minutes so i don't have time to fact check myself

 

[Irvine511]

No, it's a librul conspiracy don't you get it?

seems to be all they have left.

that, and racism.

i think it's utterly irresponsible for Palin/McCain to not calm down their crowds, who are seemingly ready to resort to violence.

this is actually something i worry about.

violence on Obama, or,

should Obama be up a solid 5-6 points in the polls going into the election

and then he somehow loses.

i would stay out of DC for a few days should such a thing happen.

 

[BVS]

seems to be all they have left.

It's true. Have you checked out the radio talk shows this week? That's all it is one long left conspiracy. It's hilarious, they all sound like paranoid nut jobs.

All the videos of the uniformed we've been seeing outside the Palin rallies, planted by the left.

The ones yelling "terrorist", planted by the left.

They're still saying Obama hacked into Sarah's email.

They wanted and planned the economic downfall.





They're literally going crazy over there on the AM dial...

 

[diamond]

No, it's a librul conspiracy don't you get it?

I'm sure it's all in our heads:

Lib Photographer Admits Making McCain Look Sinister for Mag CoverBy NOEL SHEPPARD,
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Media watchers are well-aware that it's not only words that can be used to spread propaganda, but oftentimes it's the pictures involved in the articles.

For months, people around the country have been noticing the always flattering photos of Barack Obama, and, by contrast, pictures that make John McCain either look older than what he is, or sickly...or even worse.

On Friday, the photography website PDNPulse published a virtual exposé about a professional photographer that admitted taking an intentionally diabolical looking picture of McCain that she hoped would be on the cover of October's Atlantic magazine (emphasis added throughout, photo courtesy The Atlantic, h/t NB reader Drew Hallowell):

When The Atlantic called Jill Greenberg, a committed Democrat, to shoot a portrait of John McCain for its October cover, she rubbed her hands with glee.

She delivered the image the magazine asked for—a shot that makes the Republican presidential nominee look heroic. Greenberg is well known for her highly retouched images of bears and crying babies. But she didn’t bother to do much retouching on her McCain images. “I left his eyes red and his skin looking bad,” she says.

However, that's not the picture Greenberg hoped the Atlantic would use:

After getting that shot, Greenberg asked McCain to “please come over here” for one more set-up before the 15-minute shoot was over. There, she had a beauty dish with a modeling light set up. “That’s what he thought he was being lit by,” Greenberg says. “But that wasn’t firing.”

What was firing was a strobe positioned below him, which cast the horror movie shadows across his face and on the wall right behind him. “He had no idea he was being lit from below,” Greenberg says. And his handlers didn’t seem to notice it either. “I guess they’re not very sophisticated,” she adds.

Here's the picture she wanted The Atlantic to use (courtesy PDNPulse):



Fortunately, they didn't. However, Greenberg, given her known political leanings, thinks it was wrong for The Atlantic to use her for this assignment:

I am a pretty hard core Democrat. Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.

Just how irresponsible? Well, if you go to Greenberg's website, which she calls "The Manipulator," and continue to hit your refresh icon, you'll see some truly disturbing pictures of McCain, along with some truly disturbing captions.

These include one that says, "I Called My Wife A C*** In Front Of Reporters," and another that was discussed in the PDNPulse piece:

he goes on to explain that she’s thought about replacing McCain’s mouth with bloody shark teeth and displaying the image on a billboard with the message that the candidate is a bloodthirsty war monger.

Keep on hitting refresh at the front page of her website, and that picture will appear.

And this is the woman The Atlantic hired to take a picture of McCain for the cover of its October issue.

Isn't that special?

 

[diamond]

I guess most conservatives are paraniod delusionals:

Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials sayStory Highlights
Liberal activist group filed 2,000 fraudulent voter forms, Indiana officials say

They included names of the dead and Jimmy Johns, a restaurant

Elections Board in northern Indiana has stopped processing 5,000 forms

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CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.


An official enters the Las Vegas, Nevada, ACORN office, which is under investigation for alleged voter fraud.

The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.

And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

"All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same."

The forms included registrations submitted in the names of the dead -- and in one case, the name of a fast-food restaurant, Jimmy Johns. Sally LaSota, a Democrat on the board, called the forms fraudulent and said whoever filed them broke the law. Watch how dead people are turning up on voter registration forms »

"ACORN, with its intent, perhaps was good in the beginning, but went awry somewhere," LaSota said.


Over the past four years, a dozen states have investigated complaints of fraudulent registrations filed by ACORN. On Tuesday, Nevada authorities raided an ACORN office in Las Vegas, Nevada, where workers are accused of registering members of the Dallas Cowboys football team. And the group has become the target of Republican attacks on voter fraud, a perennial GOP issue.

A subsidiary of the group was paid $800,000 by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign to register voters for the 2008 primaries, and ACORN's political wing endorsed Obama back in February. But Obama's campaign told CNN that it "is committed to protecting the integrity of the voting process," and said it has not worked with ACORN during the general election.

Brian Mellor, an ACORN attorney in Boston, said the group has its own quality-control process and has fired workers in the past -- including workers in Gary. But he said allegations that his organization committed fraud is a government attempt to keep people disenfranchised. Watch more about this investigation »

"We believe their purpose is to attack ACORN and suppress votes," Mellor said. "We believe that by attacking ACORN, they are going to discourage people that have registered to vote with ACORN from voting."

CNN was unable to reach ACORN officials in Gary and in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where the group's Indiana operation is based. Offices in both cities were empty when reporters visited.

Lake County elections officials have set aside all 5,000 of the ACORN-submitted applications in what Hoagland called the "fake pile" for later review. But she said every one will be reviewed before the election to make sure no legitimate voters are skipped.


There has been no evidence of voter fraud yet, because voters have yet to go to the polls. But elections officials say they will be sending their information to prosecutors, who will determine whether any investigation will begin.

"We have no idea what the motive behind it is," she said. "It's just overwhelming to us

 

[BVS]

I'm sure it's all in our heads:

Yes, we all know of this shot. But how is this evidence of a liberal conspiracy?

The Atlantic is a center-right magazine. They made a mistake in hiring this woman.

Maybe you guys should spend less time coming up with conspiracies and focus more on correcting these mistakes you make...

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

or better yet, focus on the issues at hand.

 

[BVS]

There has been no evidence of voter fraud yet,

There have been several flyers and letters written by right wing groups focusing on college students and poor communities scaring them from voting by saying if they have any unpaid parking tickets, warrants, bills, etc they will be arrested at the polls.

It's downright immoral when anyone tries to cheat the voting system.

 

[BVS]

or better yet, focus on the issues at hand.

I've given up on that, they've never been able to do that...

 

[INDY500]

And of course there's always the Reuters photo that ran in newspapers and online news services around the world.

Sure would make a nice cover for Gwen Ifill's Inauguration Day book don't cha think?

The "Age of Obama" indeed.