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Old 10-14-2008, 02:36 PM   #436
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Commentary: So what if Obama were a Muslim or an Arab? - CNN.com

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Editor's note: Campbell Brown anchors CNN's "Campbell Brown: Election Center" at 8 p.m. ET Mondays through Fridays. She delivered this commentary during the "Cutting through the Bull" segment of Monday night's broadcast.

Campbell Brown says it's on the record that Sen. Barack Obama is a Christian, but why should that matter?


NEW YORK (CNN) -- You may find it hard to believe that this remains an issue in this campaign, but it does.

The candidates, both candidates, are still getting questions about Barack Obama's ethnicity and religion. If you are even semi-informed, then by now you already know that of course, Barack Obama is an American.

Of course, Barack Obama is a Christian. Yet just a few days ago, there was a woman at a rally for John McCain incorrectly calling Obama an Arab:

Woman at rally: I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab.

Sen. John McCain: No ma'am, no ma'am. He's a decent family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. That's what this campaign is all about. He's not, thank you.

Now, I commend Sen. McCain for correcting that woman, for setting the record straight. But I do have one question -- so what if he was?

So what if Obama was Arab or Muslim? So what if John McCain was Arab or Muslim? Would it matter?

When did that become a disqualifier for higher office in our country? When did Arab and Muslim become dirty words? The equivalent of dishonorable or radical?

Whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there is something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim. And the media is complicit here, too.

We've all been too quick to accept the idea that calling someone Muslim is a slur.

I feel like I am stating the obvious here, but apparently it needs to be said: There is a difference between radical Muslims who support jihad against America and Muslims who want to practice their religion freely and have normal lives like anyone else.

There are more than 1.2 million Arab-Americans and about 7 million Muslim-Americans, former Cabinet secretaries, members of Congress, successful business people, normal average Americans from all walks of life.

These are the people being maligned here, and we can only imagine how this conversation plays in the Muslim world. We can't tolerate this ignorance -- not in the media, not on the campaign trail.


Of course, he's not an Arab. Of course, he's not a Muslim. But honestly, it shouldn't matter.
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I agree completely with that article. It's ridiculous that in a country that hangs by the thread of the Constitution, which apparently most Americans aren't acquainted with,(they've been too busy falling off turnip trucks, I'm guessing) someone's race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. is a factor in determining their qualification to be president. It's a slap in the face to the democracy and equality that is supposed to be embedded in the fabric of our country.
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On a side note, I usually can't stand Campbell Brown. She's too Diana Christensen a la 'Network', but she's really been on top of things lately.
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1)Being a pacifist is not a prerequisite to holding a generally liberal world view. Nor is it necessarily indicative of conservative world view.
Its a view that essentially only liberals have, those on the far left. Many U2 fans especially in here have mistakenly believed that U2 shared their views on that issue. Its been confirmed multiple times that they are wrong in this belief.

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2)So you found several quotes. And then there's the bulk of their interviews where it is clear that their world view is mostly liberal.
Quotes that were actually on controversial political issues! The bulk of U2's interviews are actually not political and often don't involve stances that can be construed as taking "right" or "left" stance on a political issue.

Even if they generally lean more to the left than the right, there are many things that are simply unknown about their political views. Many Republicans would be considered socially liberal when it comes to social issues, but on economics and security, they are definitely not liberal.

I'm sure if U2 took the politicalcompass.org test, they would test somewhere in the liberal quadrant. But, guess what, so did I. But I don't consider myself to be a liberal.

The reality is that much of U2's political views are unknown and they have views than range from being liberal to conservative.
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Purpleoscar called U2 socialist, so it must be true.
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Nor did I ever claim it was. However, when you say this:



Then I think pointing out the makeup of this forum is more than appropriate.
Did it ever occur to you that the makeup of the forum is impacted by how the political majority treat and debate those from the opposite side of the fence? We have people in here that go out of their way to characterize or indirectly mock other people in the forum because of their views. That type of behavior definitely will reduce the number of people from the otherside of the political fence who would be willing to come in and discuss issues.

Its rather difficult to have a debate on certain political issues if there is no one from the otherside of the political spectrum.
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Purpleoscar called U2 socialist, so it must be true.
$300,000,000 dollars! U2's profit from just the sale of tickets on the Vertigo Tour. By the way, the profit was not divided equally among the band and U2's organization. Thats what the 5 members of the band walked away with just from the sale of tickets on that tour alone.

They just recently moved much of the bands finances into the Netherlands to avoid paying taxes on it.
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$300,000,000 dollars! U2's profit from just the sale of tickets on the Vertigo Tour. By the way, the profit was not divided equally among the band and U2's organization. Thats what the 5 members of the band walked away with just from the sale of tickets on that tour alone.

They just recently moved much of the bands finances into the Netherlands to avoid paying taxes on it.
So only Conservatives are allowed to profit from their work...?

From my understanding, they moved their business interests to The Netherlands, the income they generate internationally. They still pay personal income taxes in Ireland.
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Sting, you conveniently overlook the fact that 1/4 of U2 - Adam - is not religious at all.
I know that has been said in the past, but it does not seem to have ever really influenced the bands writing. In addition, Adam claimed that GOD was walking through the room on the Elevation Tour. So, these days, who really knows what Adam believes.


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And you overlook the fact that U2's brand of religion is a much more open-minded, inclusive, and non-judgemental than much of the American brand of Christianity. They've never passed judgement on anyone. They spent an entire decade of their existence putting out music that questioned faith rather than celebrated it. Their brand of Christianity is hardly the same as the American right-wing brand.
I think that your beliefs about American Christianity and American Christians are rather narrow, and mistaken. I would not describe the 90s as a time that U2 turned on Christianity. Just because a couple of songs seem to question faith does not mean that spent an entire decade questioning faith.

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Furthermore, you overlook the fact that when Bono was meeting with Bush those few times between 2002 and 2005, that it was reported that it made his bandmates, Edge in particular, very uncomfortable because he(Edge) HATED Bush.
Do you have a qoute of Edge saying that he "hated" Bush and even if he did, is that alone proof that someone is a liberal? In addition, you just said above that U2 never passed judgement on anyone. Open minded, inclusive, non-judgemental.
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Sting brought it up. .
No I didn't. The first person to bring "U2's beliefs" into the thread was Diemen.

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Considering we're on a board for a band that espouses generally liberal beliefs itself, yes, maybe it's not an accident.
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$300,000,000 dollars! U2's profit from just the sale of tickets on the Vertigo Tour. By the way, the profit was not divided equally among the band and U2's organization. Thats what the 5 members of the band walked away with just from the sale of tickets on that tour alone.

They just recently moved much of the bands finances into the Netherlands to avoid paying taxes on it.
Thank you...
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$300,000,000 dollars! U2's profit from just the sale of tickets on the Vertigo Tour. By the way, the profit was not divided equally among the band and U2's organization. Thats what the 5 members of the band walked away with just from the sale of tickets on that tour alone.

They just recently moved much of the bands finances into the Netherlands to avoid paying taxes on it.
Where did you get 300M PROFIT from ? Seems awfully high. Sure it's not Gross ?
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Where did you get 300M PROFIT from ? Seems awfully high. Sure it's not Gross ?

GROSS was nearly $400 million dollars, actually $389 million to be exact. Stadium show all expenses, promotion, set up cost about $1.2 million per show, the arena's were $400,000. So with 53 stadium shows and 78 arena shows, the cost of the tour is just under $100 million dollars. Plus, were not even talking about the profits from merchandise, albums sales, songs played on the radio, etc.
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GROSS was nearly $400 million dollars, actually $389 million to be exact. Stadium show all expenses, promotion, set up cost about $1.2 million per show, the arena's were $400,000. So with 53 stadium shows and 78 arena shows, the cost of the tour is just under $100 million dollars. Plus, were not even talking about the profits from merchandise, albums sales, songs played on the radio, etc.
Where did you get the info ? Just curious.
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