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Old 10-08-2008, 01:51 PM   #31
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Look at photos of Bush back in 2000




and look at him now. You can
see the toll that the job takes on you.



In fact, it looks like Obama has aged considerably,





at least to me,
since he launched his presidential bid last year.
I agree, and that's something I've always said, too. Look at any president from the past several decades, and they visibly age very rapidly once they're in office. It's like a presidential year equals two or three human years.
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Cindy McCain makes appearance at Children's Hospital | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean

McCain, who stopped to visit a half-dozen children at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, said the presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has "waged the dirtiest campaign in American history,” and her husband Sen. John McCain will use tonight’s debate to correct the distortions.
Fox just reported that she was there in order to foil a Barak HUSSEIN Obama plot to take those children and sacrifice them to his heathen god in exchange for another month of positive polling results. Duh. It had nothing to do with politics, so please don't distort the truth.
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Dear Cindy Stepford, STFU. You're giving airhead trophy wives a bad name.
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Dear Cindy Stepford, STFU. You're giving airhead trophy wives a bad name.
I think McCain may be scared of smart women...
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I think McCain may be scared of smart women...
I am beginning to notice a pattern.
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Look at photos of Bush back in 2000




and look at him now. You can
see the toll that the job takes on you.



In fact, it looks like Obama has aged considerably,





at least to me,
since he launched his presidential bid last year.
ABC News: Before and After: Can Presidents Age Gracefully?

It is kinda scary, since McCain is pretty much already the "after" photo...
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ABC News: Before and After: Can Presidents Age Gracefully?

It is kinda scary, since McCain is pretty much already the "after" photo...
So was Reagan. I wonder if there's any truth to the talk that he was developing the early stages of Alzheimers during his last couple years in office. Also, the FDR comparison is a little different since he was president for 16 years as opposed to 4 or 8. We're all going to age a lot in that amount of time.
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So was Reagan. I wonder if there's any truth to the talk that he was developing the early stages of Alzheimers during his last couple years in office.
We were actually talking about this the other day. I looked it up, and he was diagnosed in '94 and passed away in '04. According to Alzheimers research, fewer than 3% of people live 14 or more years with the disease. So, there's a less than 3% chance he had it prior to 1990, despite how he seemed at times during the latter part of his presidency.
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We were actually talking about this the other day. I looked it up, and he was diagnosed in '94 and passed away in '04. According to Alzheimers research, fewer than 3% of people live 14 or more years with the disease. So, there's a less than 3% chance he had it prior to 1990, despite how he seemed at times during the latter part of his presidency.
Ah, ok. I wasn't alive (except for the last 3 months) of the Reagan presidency, but my mom mentioned the Alzheimers possibility to me about Reagan the other day. I just thought it would have been interesting to know since it would have been incredibly dangerous to have a person with even the slight beginnings of such a disease as Commander in Chief. Based on the statistics in your post, though, I'm guessing Reagan didn't have anything other than common memory loss during those last years as president.
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Ah, ok. I wasn't alive (except for the last 3 months) of the Reagan presidency, but my mom mentioned the Alzheimers possibility to me about Reagan the other day. I just thought it would have been interesting to know since it would have been incredibly dangerous to have a person with even the slight beginnings of such a disease as Commander in Chief. Based on the statistics in your post, though, I'm guessing Reagan didn't have anything other than common memory loss during those last years as president.
It really is a grey area, though. The disease often manifests for several years before the patient actually fits the criteria for a full-blown Alzheimers diagnosis. The stats I read didn't indicate whether or not these very early pre-diagnosis stages are included in that 14 year span, but given that the mean time of death after diagnosis is 7 years, I'm guessing they must.

However, it's one of those weird things that is very difficult to judge - where is the line where what could be normal forgetting and zoning out due to aging becomes early stage Alzheimers? He definitely had something going on, there.
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Both the Bush and Clinton before-and-after photos seemed a little unfair. The lighting on each of the "after" photos looks a lot brighter and makes their skin paler.

However, just judging by their respective hair colors before and after, the Presidency ages you REAL fast.
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(CNN) – Cindy McCain, wife of Republican presidential candidate John McCain, appears to have sharpened her attacks against Barack Obama on the campaign trail in the final stretch of the race for the White House.

One day after she told a Tennessee newspaper Obama is running the "dirtiest campaign in American history," Mrs. McCain criticized the Illinois senator for voting against a bill to fund troops in Iraq, a regular line of attack from her husband’s campaign.

“The day that Senator Obama cast a vote not to fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body, let me tell you,” she told a Pennsylvania crowd before introducing her husband and Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin.

“I would suggest Senator Obama change shoes with me for just one day. I suggest he take a day and go watch our men and women deploying," she also said, to boisterous cheers from the campaign.

The vote Mrs. McCain is referencing came in May of 2007, when Obama was one of 14 senators who voted against a war-spending plan that would have provided emergency funds for American troops overseas. He, like many Democrats, was pushing for an end to the war in Iraq, and the legislation included no provisions for that. Before that vote, Obama did support and vote for a funding proposal that included a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq — a troop funding bill McCain opposed.

A CNN fact check deemed the charge that Obama voted against troop funding "misleading."

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October 2, 2008
Fact Check: Did Obama vote to cut funds for troops?
Posted: 10:25 PM ET

The Statement:
At an Oct. 2 debate in St. Louis, Missouri, Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin was talking about support for U.S. troops overseas. "I know that the other ticket opposed this surge — in fact, even opposed funding our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Barack Obama voted against funding
troops after promising that he would not do so," she said.



The Facts:

On May 24, 2007, Obama was one of 14 senators who voted against a war-spending plan that would have provided emergency funds for American troops overseas. He, like many Democrats, was pushing for an end to the war in Iraq, and the legislation included no provisions for that. "We must fund our troops," Obama said that day in a news release. "But we owe them something more. We owe them a
clear, prudent plan to relieve them of the burden of policing someone else's civil war." Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, and Obama's running mate Sen. Joe Biden, voted in favor of that resolution.

Obama had supported, and voted for, an earlier version of the bill that would have provided the money for the troops but established a timeline for Bush to begin bringing them home. Biden also voted for that version of the plan.

McCain was one of three senators who did not vote that day — but he urged Bush to veto it after it passed 51-46 on April 26, 2007. "I look forward to the president's prompt veto of this misguided bill," McCain said in a written statement. Bush did veto the measure on May 1, 2007, leading to the second
vote.

Verdict:
Misleading. Obama supported a different version of the troop-funding plan — one that McCain spoke against.
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For the second time in three days, the speaker at a McCain campaign rally used Barack Obama's middle name "Hussein" in a demeaning fashion to ignite the crowd.

Speaking in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Bill Platt, the GOP chair of Lehigh County, twice referred to "Barack Hussein Obama" minutes before John McCain and Sarah Palin were set to take the stage.

On Monday, a local Florida sheriff preceded Palin's speech by declaring: "On Nov. 4, let's leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened."

McCain has distanced itself from the deliberate and malicious use of Obama's middle name in the past. When a conservative radio talk show host first discussed Barack "Hussein" Obama in February, the campaign said it was inappropriate and not reflective of the race they are seeking to run.

But it is hard not to notice how rabid the crowds have recently become at McCain events and how demonstrative they have been in their disdain for Obama. In addition to introductory speakers raising the Senator's middle name in the form of an insult, audience members have screamed out, during recent events, "terrorist," "treason," and "kill him," when the Illinois Democrat's name has been discussed.

Speaking on MSNBC, Bill Burton, Obama's national press secretary, responded to the episode with the following statement.

"People try to use it as an epithet, as a way to stir up feelings about Sen. Obama that are negative," he said. "But they ultimately have nothing to do with our challenges that we are facing right now."

UPDATE: The McCain campaign condemns the remarks. For Obama supporters and others, however, the issue is more about whether McCain will be proactive about this stuff as opposed to reactive.

"We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November." --Paul Lindsay, McCain-Palin spokesman
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I just watched Michelle Obama on Larry King. Man, she is impressive. I kept missing in-depth interviews with her throughout this campaign and now she's finally wowed me. Better late than never.
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