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Old 10-13-2008, 04:28 PM   #331
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Oh, STING, I won't bother even arguing with you. I know you're busy coming up with a whole new set of talking points, seeing as to how you'll need them in 22 days. Best of luck, chap.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:34 PM   #332
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Its funny, there are probably only 10 people on this board that support McCain or Bush, but clearly, some people in this forum wish that it was zero.
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Some people wish those who supported McCain were more compelling debaters.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:44 PM   #334
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Some people wish those who supported McCain were more compelling debaters.

Those same people would never acknowledge there being any.
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Liberal intellectuals and elites have been scorned by Republicans in the past, but not intellectuals and elites in general. Have you not heard the praise for General Patraeus? Have you not heard the praise for the United States military? Do you really think Republicans despise someone like Alan Greenspan?
Greenspan is a curious example to put forward as a Republican intellectual heavyweight, particularly at this juncture. As I predicted here over a year ago, history will not be kind to Mr Greenspan.

Market fundamentalists like Greenspa believed that the system of US banks using CDOs and passing on risk as packaged securities spread out risk in the system to those who could afford it, and made the system more stable. Obviously, he was completely wrong.
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It'd be interesting to have Sting explain away what we witnessed in that video.

I found that video as discouraging and the McCain/Palin mob flick. Equally dishonest, equally deplorable. And again it was the people making the video not the "baddies" in the video that I found most dishonest and most deplorable.

Sad.
What I find ironic, is that we have had people in this forum claim that Bush is a Terrorist with the majority in here not stepping in to voice their opposition to that type of a statement. If your looking for wild and crazy things said about politicians, you don't need to look any further than what many have said about Bush in FYM.
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Example, please.
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What I find ironic, is that we have had people in this forum claim that Bush is a Terrorist with the majority in here not stepping in to voice their opposition to that type of a statement.
Maybe it's because Bush HAS been responsible for thousands of civilian deaths.

I'm not saying that makes him a "terrorist" necessarily, but certainly tactics of terror have been used fighting a conflict for.............what was the reason again ????
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You didn't just give Sting an open invitation to explain the reasons to us (again), did you?







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Old 10-13-2008, 05:11 PM   #340
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What would possess you to ask Sting why we went to war?

Do you WANT to hear about Res...I can't even type it out...again?

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What would possess you to ask Sting why we went to war?

Do you WANT to hear about Res...I can't even type it out...again?


My bad, but the reason is still valid, bombing civilian targets when your intelligence isn't very good would make him a "terrorist" in the eyes of more than a few people

Maybe the November surprise will be the finding of the mythical WMDs ? Although personally I think he has a bigger chance of finding a colony of Unicorns....
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MCCAIN LACKS THE CHARACTER AND TEMPERAMENT TO BE PRESIDENT. AND PALIN IS SIMPLY A DISGRACE.
By Christopher Hitchens

I used to nod wisely when people said: "Let's discuss issues rather than personalities." It seemed so obvious that in politics an issue was an issue and a personality was a personality, and that the more one could separate the two, the more serious one was. After all, in a debate on serious issues, any mention of the opponent's personality would be ad hominem at best and at worst would stoop as low as ad feminam.

At my old English boarding school, we had a sporting saying that one should "tackle the ball and not the man." I carried on echoing this sort of unexamined nonsense for quite some time—in fact, until the New Hampshire primary of 1992, when it hit me very forcibly that the "personality" of one of the candidates was itself an "issue." In later years, I had little cause to revise my view that Bill Clinton's abysmal character was such as to be a "game changer" in itself, at least as important as his claim to be a "new Democrat." To summarize what little I learned from all this: A candidate may well change his or her position on, say, universal health care or Bosnia. But he or she cannot change the fact—if it happens to be a fact—that he or she is a pathological liar, or a dimwit, or a proud ignoramus. And even in the short run, this must and will tell.

On "the issues" in these closing weeks, there really isn't a very sharp or highly noticeable distinction to be made between the two nominees, and their "debates" have been cramped and boring affairs as a result. But the difference in character and temperament has become plainer by the day, and there is no decent way of avoiding the fact. Last week's so-called town-hall event showed Sen. John McCain to be someone suffering from an increasingly obvious and embarrassing deficit, both cognitive and physical. And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.
Vote Obama. McCain lacks the character and temperament to be president. And Palin is simply a disgrace. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

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My bad, but the reason is still valid, bombing civilian targets when your intelligence isn't very good would make him a "terrorist" in the eyes of more than a few people

Maybe the November surprise will be the finding of the mythical WMDs ? Although personally I think he has a bigger chance of finding a colony of Unicorns....
I know what you're saying and I agree.
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Its funny, there are probably only 10 people on this board that support McCain or Bush, but clearly, some people in this forum wish that it was zero.
Name one... Just one.
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