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Old 10-12-2008, 08:23 PM   #271
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McCain's whole campaign has been schizophrenic. I believe that his time was in 2000. During Bush's first term, I always felt that McCain was one of the few Republicans I could stand, and that if a Republican had to win in 2000(and make no mistake I was 100% a Gore supporter) it should have been McCain and not Bush. But during Bush's second term, McCain began pandering and moving himself towards the right, positioning himself for the 2008 run, which, although he didn't announce until 2007, he had decided on at least a year or two before that. So the story of McCain's campaign has been that whereas most presidential campaigns spend most of their time on independents and undecideds, it had to focus on two different groups - the independents AND the right wing base. So he's continually had to play this game where he's talking to the base out of one side of his mouth and to independents out of the other. He's had to work so hard and do so much just to ensure the base vote that he's lost a whole lot of independents and even more liberal non-neo-con Republicans. Ironically, McCain might just share more personal beliefs with this latter group than he does with the base that he's had to sacrifice so much to 'get'.

So now his platform and persona are convoluted and not entirely convincing to the base and almost downright unconvincing to independents. The result is that he's struggling to ensure anyone's vote because any move that would win the base over would alienate the independents and vice versa. He's in a no-win situation.
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He's got so much pressure behind him to go this route... don't completely throw McCain under the bus just yet. Palin, I would suspect she's a true believer.
True believer in what, exactly?
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"McCain Vows To Whip Obama's You Know What"

Whip???

I know it's an expression, but for Christ's sake, maybe think about it....
too many Freudian slips....


McCain vows to whip Obama's 'you know what' - Yahoo! News
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McCain's whole campaign has been schizophrenic. I believe that his time was in 2000. During Bush's first term, I always felt that McCain was one of the few Republicans I could stand, and that if a Republican had to win in 2000(and make no mistake I was 100% a Gore supporter) it should have been McCain and not Bush. But during Bush's second term, McCain began pandering and moving himself towards the right, positioning himself for the 2008 run, which, although he didn't announce until 2007, he had decided on at least a year or two before that. So the story of McCain's campaign has been that whereas most presidential campaigns spend most of their time on independents and undecideds, it had to focus on two different groups - the independents AND the right wing base. So he's continually had to play this game where he's talking to the base out of one side of his mouth and to independents out of the other. He's had to work so hard and do so much just to ensure the base vote that he's lost a whole lot of independents and even more liberal non-neo-con Republicans. Ironically, McCain might just share more personal beliefs with this latter group than he does with the base that he's had to sacrifice so much to 'get'.

So now his platform and persona are convoluted and not entirely convincing to the base and almost downright unconvincing to independents. The result is that he's struggling to ensure anyone's vote because any move that would win the base over would alienate the independents and vice versa. He's in a no-win situation.
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To me that's troubling. ."

This should be more troubling:

YouTube - Liberal Outrage: A Pro-McCain March In Manhattan
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Actually, I find the inaction of a potential Commander-In-Chief in the face of hateful speech more troubling than some random citizens protesting a parade.
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Whoever wrote the captions to this video was an idiot for he has no clue the definion of simple words such as 'fact' or 'progressive'...



Like Diemen said, you should be more concerned about your nominee...
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Jeepers. Look at the odds on Paddy Power. I was thinking of betting on Obama, but not at those odds:

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You know, looking at this video some more (I didn't watch the whole thing the first time since it didn't take much to realize what a skewed view it was presenting), I'm struck by how insulting it is to New Yorkers in general. And it fits exactly into the hypocrisy of some on the right that others have alluded to in this thread.

Every September 11th, Republicans rally around the great city of New York and it's brave citizens who came together to overcome an enormous disaster. Every other day of the year New Yorkers are big city elitists who would rather cheer terrorists than "American patriots."

It's pathetic.
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The continued use of the word "intellectuals" as a pejorative term is the saddest fucking thing.....
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You and your big words. You don't impress me, smartypants.
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The continued use of the word "intellectuals" as a pejorative term is the saddest fucking thing.....
According to STING you are imagining this.
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That video is funny. Very kind of the creator to provide the written commentary. There’s the ignorant line of thinking we’ve been talking about laid out nice and clear for everyone…

“FACT: Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the Upper West Side than American patriots.”

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, and from then on it just gets funnier. I can’t believe people believe that shit.

And diamond, if what you are suggesting is that the response from New Yorkers here is anything like the McCain-Palin rallies, then I really don’t think so. There’s a difference between yelling ‘wake up’ and yelling ‘kill him’.
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It'd be interesting to have Sting explain away what we witnessed in that video.

I found that video as discouraging and the McCain/Palin mob flick. Equally dishonest, equally deplorable. And again it was the people making the video not the "baddies" in the video that I found most dishonest and most deplorable.

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True believer in what, exactly?
In the quintessential American myth. The patriotic, unabashed American fantasy and the fundamentalist biblical view.

The "John Wayne" revisionist history. The "Revelations" absurdity.

I could actually articulate this full idea to the 'T' but I have no interest in insulting near half of our readers.

Let's just say, the cultural divide in our country is not near as simple as Wolf Blitzer wants you to believe.
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