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Old 10-11-2008, 04:52 PM   #211
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Obama doesn't have a drop of Arab blood in him. It's so stupid. I was infuriated when I saw that clip yesterday.

Does it imply that any Muslim can't be trusted? Does this mean anyone who is Muslim is automatically an Arab?


I might have actually respected McCain if he had said something like, "Obama's not an Arab or a Muslim, but even if he were that would be no reason to be afraid of him or not to trust him."

The level of mainstream bigotry towards Muslims in this country is really shocking. I've got relatives who, sadly enough, think just like those people at the McCain/Palin rallies and town meetings.
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Yep. Instead he comes up with a reply of "No, he's a decent man." WTF?

Are Arabs or Muslims incapable of being decent then?
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McCain tussles with Palin over whipping up a mob mentality - Times Online
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WITH his electoral prospects fading by the day, Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign.

McCain has become alarmed about the fury unleashed by Sarah Palin, the moose-hunting “pitbull in lipstick”, against Senator Barack Obama. Cries of “terrorist” and “kill him” have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.

Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.

Palin, 44, has led the character attacks on Obama in the belief that McCain may be throwing away the election and her chance of becoming vice-president. Her supporters think that if the Republican ticket loses on November 4, she should run for president in 2012.
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YouTube - Sarah Silverman and The Great Schlep
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:07 PM   #215
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I'm surprised it's a weekday. Ours are always Saturdays.
I think here that could well result in even lower turnout. I mean, really, who wants to take the time out of a Saturday to vote when you can go do interesting and important stuff. You know, like see movies or baseball or football games or shop or other such stuff.

Plus I've always thought any excuse for a public holiday is a good thing.
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I've been passing this around to all who think the Ayers thing actually merits discussion:

YouTube - [HQ3] Countdown: Keith Olbermann - Guilt by Association - 10/08/08
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I've been passing this around to all who think the Ayers thing actually merits discussion:
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And then there's this:

The Return of Rove

John McCain has surrendered his campaign to the same political fearmonger who smeared him out of the race in 2000

MATT TAIBBI Posted Oct 16, 2008 7:15 AM

The Return of Rove : Rolling Stone

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The first whiff of this kind of tactic in the current race came at the end of June, when the McCain campaign launched its new slogan "Country First," making McCain the first presidential candidate in history to make "My Opponent Is a Traitor" his rallying cry. Then there was the unveiling of a new ad comparing Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. Following that came a coordinated campaign to ridicule Obama for the somewhat bombastic décor of the stage for his convention speech, with the campaign issuing leaflets mocking the vertical columns as a "Temple of Obama."
Somehow this doesn't surprise me, at all.
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Except this time it's not gonna work; Obama is up by 10 points as of today.

The more hate and fear they try, the more Obama's place is solid.

Solid.
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The Class War Before Palin

By DAVID BROOKS
New Yok Times, October 9



Modern conservatism began as a movement of dissident intellectuals. Richard Weaver wrote a book called Ideas Have Consequences. Russell Kirk placed Edmund Burke in an American context. William F. Buckley famously said he’d rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard. But he didn’t believe those were the only two options. His entire life was a celebration of urbane values, sophistication and the rigorous and constant application of intellect. Driven by a need to engage elite opinion, conservatives tried to build an intellectual counterestablishment with think tanks and magazines. They disdained the ideas of the liberal professoriate, but they did not disdain the idea of a cultivated mind.

Ronald Reagan was no intellectual, but he had an earnest faith in ideas and he spent decades working through them. He was rooted in the Midwest, but he also loved Hollywood. And for a time, it seemed the Republican Party would be a broad coalition—small-town values with coastal reach. In 1976, in a close election, Gerald Ford won the entire West Coast along with northeastern states like New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Maine. In 1984, Reagan won every state but Minnesota.

But over the past few decades, the Republican Party has driven away people who live in cities, in highly educated regions and on the coasts. This expulsion has had many causes. But the big one is this: Republican political tacticians decided to mobilize their coalition with a form of social class warfare. Democrats kept nominating coastal pointy-heads like Michael Dukakis so Republicans attacked coastal pointy-heads. Over the past 15 years, the same argument has been heard from a thousand politicians and a hundred television and talk-radio jocks. The nation is divided between the wholesome Joe Sixpacks in the heartland and the oversophisticated, overeducated, oversecularized denizens of the coasts.

What had been a disdain for liberal intellectuals slipped into a disdain for the educated class as a whole. The liberals had coastal condescension, so the conservatives developed their own anti-elitism, with mirror-image categories and mirror-image resentments, but with the same corrosive effect. Republicans developed their own leadership style. If Democratic leaders prized deliberation and self-examination, then Republicans would govern from the gut.

George W. Bush restrained some of the populist excesses of his party—the anti-immigration fervor, the isolationism — but stylistically he fit right in. As Fred Barnes wrote in his book, Rebel-in-Chief, Bush “reflects the political views and cultural tastes of the vast majority of Americans who don’t live along the East or West Coast. He’s not a sophisticate and doesn’t spend his discretionary time with sophisticates. As First Lady Laura Bush once said, she and the president didn’t come to Washington to make new friends. And they haven’t.”

The political effects of this trend have been obvious. Republicans have alienated the highly educated regions—Silicon Valley, northern Virginia, the suburbs outside of New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and Raleigh-Durham. The West Coast and the Northeast are mostly gone. The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.

Conservatives are as rare in elite universities and the mainstream media as they were 30 years ago. The smartest young Americans are now educated in an overwhelmingly liberal environment.

This year could have changed things. The G.O.P. had three urbane presidential candidates. But the class-warfare clichés took control. Rudy Giuliani disdained cosmopolitans at the Republican convention. Mitt Romney gave a speech attacking “eastern elites.” (Mitt Romney!) John McCain picked Sarah Palin.

Palin is smart, politically skilled, courageous and likable. Her convention and debate performances were impressive. But no American politician plays the class-warfare card as constantly as Palin. Nobody so relentlessly divides the world between the “normal Joe Sixpack American” and the coastal elite. She is another step in the Republican change of personality. Once conservatives admired Churchill and Lincoln above all—men from wildly different backgrounds who prepared for leadership through constant reading, historical understanding and sophisticated thinking. Now those attributes bow down before the common touch.

And so, politically, the G.O.P. is squeezed at both ends. The party is losing the working class by sins of omission—because it has not developed policies to address economic anxiety. It has lost the educated class by sins of commission—by telling members of that class to go away.
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I've lived through a lifetime of what can happen next. A President shot and killed. A Presidential candidate shot and killed. (The Kennedys)
The leader of equal rights movenment - shot and killed (Martin Luther King, Jr.) Presidents Reagan & Ford were shot at. Even George Wallace was shot at and lived. And so many other's lives that have been destroyed fighting for the rights of all American's.

This is what someone will do next if McCain and Palin don't stop what they are doing. What McCain is doing now by saying "Obama is no one to fear" is too little too late. He and Palin have lit the fuse, cocked the gun and it's just a matter of time too see if anyone can get a shot off or blow them away.
They (McCain/Palin) need to be begging for forgiveness. It will be on their heads if something happens to Obama or his family.
you & moi both.......
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keep the white light around Barack & Joe and their families & staff.........
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Except this time it's not gonna work; Obama is up by 10 points as of today.

The more hate and fear they try, the more Obama's place is solid.

Solid.
Well I do have some quiet confidence that Obama will win. But I'll be praying just the same.

The most important thing is to totally turn out a ginormous amout of voters for Barack.
THAT might be the one sure way to win over Rovian tactics. I say this because they say in the 2006 election more democrats in the House & Senate actually won than did win, b/c election fraud took some of their wins away.
So the enormous turnout last time in 06 was able to overrun a fair amount of voter repression/dirty tricks etc by the Neo-con/Republicans.

There's a whole bunch of groups currently trying to help voters see if they have been illegally taken off the rolls already.
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What had been a disdain for liberal intellectuals slipped into a disdain for the educated class as a whole.

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It has lost the educated class by sins of commission—by telling members of that class to go away.
I have quoted bits of this article myself a couple of days ago. It is bang on. People who are educated, intellectuals, and heaven forbid went to the top schools are not welcome in the Republican party. Anti-intellectualism runs rabid, and Barack Obama was right this summer when he said that these people actually take pride in being ignorant. It is particularly appalling to me, maybe as an immigrant kid, because my parents always told us education was everything and it was the only chance at an equalizer that we had. They sacrificed everything to push us forward and we excelled. I came from means that were not even modest, so I don't understand why anybody in the same situation would not take pride in excelling and bettering themselves or their children. Instead, they look scornfully on the rest of us. What happened to the American dream, one has to wonder. Isn't Obama the perfect example of it?
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Except this time it's not gonna work; Obama is up by 10 points as of today.

The more hate and fear they try, the more Obama's place is solid.

Solid.

Well, I'm not so sure. Take a look at Gallups results the past 4 days including today:

10/09/2008 - Obama by 11 points.
10/10/2008 - Obama by 10 points.
10/11/2008 - Obama by 9 points.
10/12/2008 - Obama by 7 points.
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I have quoted bits of this article myself a couple of days ago. It is bang on. People who are educated, intellectuals, and heaven forbid went to the top schools are not welcome in the Republican party. Anti-intellectualism runs rabid, and Barack Obama was right this summer when he said that these people actually take pride in being ignorant.
Sorry, but this is just total horse dung. George Bush and General Petraeus both have graduate degrees from the top schools in the country. The vast majority of the military's field grade officers have graduate degrees and they are more heavily Republican than nearly any other group in the country.

In fact, a gallup poll recently in the summer showed that among all people, John McCain led with people who had just a 4 year college degree. Obama led with those who did NOT have a 4 year college degree as well as those with graduate degrees.

If the race was to be decided by individuals who make over $100,000 dollars a year, McCain would win. McCain also leads among male voters and white voters.
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