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Old 07-19-2005, 05:58 PM   #31
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I was glad to read your 'self-immolation of the Republicans' comment, Irvine. It's what I devoutly hope myself, and having someone who's opinion I respect say it makes my afternoon.


thank you, that was very kind.

particularly on what has been an awful day (all work stuff).
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:00 PM   #32
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i probably won't vote.


if you don't vote, you can't complain.
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:01 PM   #33
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It's kind of like choosing between two politicians of the same stripes, interestingly enough. If they ended up being the nominees, I think it would turn out to be a very interesting election campaign.

What would likely happen if both were the nominees (what is more likely is that Frist will unleash a nasty push poll and discredit McCain under a pile of Southern-lovin' racism like in 2000) is that McCain would likely win, since he tends to have more bipartisan appeal, while Hillary is still seen a rabid butch lesbian "Lilith" by too many Republicans.

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if you don't vote, you can't complain.
so opinion of my (lack of) choices is somehow void.

why would i vote for someone i do not agree with?

surely you jest.
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so opinion of my (lack of) choices is somehow void.

why would i vote for someone i do not agree with?

surely you jest.


sitting out accomplishes nothing.

choosing the lesser of two evils is a necessary part of the democratic process, and you might have to choose the person you disagree with less. it's lack of participation that endagers the continuation of democracy.
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:08 PM   #36
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I would honestly have to vote McCain. I don't belong to either party, I dislike partisan bickering.

I've disagreed with his stance on a number of things, but in my gut I feel he's actually (gasp!) a decent man, a (fairly) honest politician.

Hilary Clinton has always struck me as doing anything it took to remain in office. When it came down to it, I don't think she would really fight for what I wanted. There's also been those unfortunate anti-Semitic remarks...
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it's lack of participation that endagers the continuation of democracy.
i sort of thought it was perpetuation of oligarchy and the lack or real choices.
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McCain in the Republican party is like a puppy dog with a shitload of snakes slithering around it. McCain is the ONLY likeable politician in the Republican party. Frankly, most of the time he is so moderate and dare I say likeable, that I'm surprised he hasn't at least become independent or something yet. Does anyone know what specifically keeps him in the Republican party?

Anyway...because of the scars of Dictator Bush and his DAMN administration, I still find it very, very, very, VERY difficult to even thnk about voting Republican. I'd probably end up voting for Hilary.

But truth be told, I really want Obama to run. I think he has the right ideas, and he seems more honest, if you know what I mean, than Hilary is.
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i sort of thought it was perpetuation of oligarchy and the lack or real choices.


how do you intend to break the oligarchy and create real choices? is it to sit on your hands in November? or is to work for incremental change the year round, and then make the best choices you can on election day?
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how do you intend to break the oligarchy and create real choices? is it to sit on your hands in November? or is to work for incremental change the year round, and then make the best choices you can on election day?
while immediate political struggle is a valid effort i can't say that there is a movement that i am currently aware of that i would be able to stomach. i guess the real issue here is that ideologically, if you will, we are coming from very different view points. i am an "extremist." what you would describe as incremental, i call negligible. if a real labor movement were to arise again in this country that fought for working class solidarity and advancement then i would vote for their candidate. the socialist workers party, to my knowledge, is a joke. they run people who are not even constitutionally eligible to be president of this country. a lot of good my vote does there. and the cp-usa has become a lapdog of the democractic party. they endorsed kerry. i voted across the working family party's ticket in the past election. unfortunately they were also endorsing kerry. if i vote in 2008 it will be incredibly hard for me to put an x in anyone's box for president. it'll depend largely on the third party candidates. most certainly i don't think i'll be voting democrat again.
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if you don't vote, you can't complain.
Well in fairness to Seven I doubt if there will be a Marxist candidate in the running.
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There's also been those unfortunate anti-Semitic remarks...
I didn't hear anything about that....please elaborate?
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Well in fairness to Seven I doubt if there will be a Marxist candidate in the running.
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So, if the race in 2008 shapes up to be McCain VS. Clinton, who would you vote for?

I LOVE your drive to keep this thread on topic! Much appreciated.

If July 19, 2005 was November 6, 2008 (date?), with the knowledge I have of both candidates listed in this poll, I would vote for McCain.

But like the barlowdog and others say...it is way too early.
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