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Old 08-14-2005, 06:02 AM   #136
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There was that Keating Five controversy.
Had no play AT ALL in the 2000 election.
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Governor Weld defeated John Kerry when he was running for Governor in 1996.

I don't know if you just typed it wrong, but Weld, while Governor, ran against Kerry for his senate seat in 1996 and LOST, not won.
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In my opinion, Mr. Romney, if he does not run for President will be reelected. However, I expect Mr. Romney to run, and challenge McCain in the Northest. I expect Romney to win NH making it difficult for McCain who will hang around until the South votes and Ohio/MICHIGAN.
Living in NH, I disagree. McCain was tremendously popular here when he ran for President in 2000, and quite decidedly trounced Bush. I wish the country had followed us. In any event, he is still very popular and well-liked in this state, and despite Romney being just to the south, he does not have the same appeal as McCain. McCain would easily beat Romney in the primary here.
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I don't know if you just typed it wrong, but Weld, while Governor, ran against Kerry for his senate seat in 1996 and LOST, not won.
Typo...sorry
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You can see that MASSACHUSETTS since 1972 has only voted for a Republican TWICE....for Regan in 1980 and for Reagan in 1984. Both times Regan ran against the Carter administration beating Carter (1980) and his vice-President Mondale (1984). The Carter Administration was probably the MOST unpopular administration in my lifetime, other than LBJ who was President when I was born.
Well, I wouldn't necessarily word it that Reagan beat the Carter administration both times, since it didn't exist in 1984. Mondale ran on his own with his own team.

Going back to McCain and Romney, I've already stated that I think McCain would still win NH, but I would even go as far to say that he'd give Romney a real run for his money in MA as well, although Romney would probably take his own state still.

However, despite McCain's crossover appeal, I still can't see him beating Clinton in a national election in MA.
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Living in NH, I disagree. McCain was tremendously popular here when he ran for President in 2000, and quite decidedly trounced Bush. I wish the country had followed us. In any event, he is still very popular and well-liked in this state, and despite Romney being just to the south, he does not have the same appeal as McCain. McCain would easily beat Romney in the primary here.
You may be right, the question is, will his excitement from 200o transfer to 2008.

Romney in my opinion, will make it a tougher state to win.
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Agreed. It would be a closer race between McCain and Romney than it was between McCain and Bush.

And I think the excitement would still be there, although I could see the "age" card being played against him.

But I'm sure he could use Reagan as a healthy comparison for that one...
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Back to the poll...

As far as America not being ready for a women president...what a load of crap! That's just predjudicy toward women...period! If your a smart, successful, outspoken women, then your labled a "witch!" It's just pure garbage, and I for one will not take it anymore.
I could say alot about what I think of the handling of the two past elections, but that might just stir up more bickering. (enough of that on Fox Smooze)
McCaine has not stood up to President Bush even when he mentions he doesn't support his ideas, he still votes for them. I have never seen Hillary Clinton do that. Ever. Oh, I know they say she has began to move toward the middle...you must have recognised the present administrations MO in that line.
Hillary has sided with many non- Democratics on issues, and has stayed true to her commitment.

Hillary has proven herself in the Senate and in other areas of government. She is respected in the world as a person of intelligence and foresight.
Hillary gets my vote.
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Well, I wouldn't necessarily word it that Reagan beat the Carter administration both times, since it didn't exist in 1984. Mondale ran on his own with his own team.
My own attempt at humor!!!! LOL

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Going back to McCain and Romney, I've already stated that I think McCain would still win NH, but I would even go as far to say that he'd give Romney a real run for his money in MA as well, although Romney would probably take his own state still.

However, despite McCain's crossover appeal, I still can't see him beating Clinton in a national election in MA.
It is the race I would like to see most of all.
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Typo...sorry
There was a theory that they voted to elect Kerry back to the Senate to keep Gov. Weld as Gov. at the time.

I am still sitting here trying to remember who he beat for Gov. in 1994. Or did he run unopposed
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Personally, as a centrist New Democrat, I don't think John McCain is a very impressive politician, even though he shares similar views to mine. I think he's gotten a free ride from the media, and it's trendy for everyone to like him.

The dream ticket for me would be Clinton / McCain, from a pure strategy standpoint. That would be unstoppable.

Either way, Hillary should pick a Republican VP.
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I am still sitting here trying to remember who he beat for Gov. in 1994. Or did he run unopposed
I can't remember, either, so it obviously was someone who didn't make that much of an impression...
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McCain 18 Votes

Clinton 10 Votes


This is not a scientific poll, but I think it still indicates how strong a candidate McCain is going to be in 2008 if he decides to run. I still think when any Republican candidate can do this well in a forum like this, a place that on a per capita basis is more liberal than any of the 50 states, it indicates that McCain could potentially repeat Reagan's incredible landslide victory in 1984.
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I still don't think it indicates anything in terms of the entire country, because the sampling, despite usually being left of center, is just too small to give an accurate portrayal of what the overall voting population would do three years from now.

Personally, I can't see McCain coming close to a landslide victory. However, he would easily have a more resounding win than either Bush, perhaps similar to Clinton in 1996.
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I still don't think it indicates anything in terms of the entire country, because the sampling, despite usually being left of center, is just too small to give an accurate portrayal of what the overall voting population would do three years from now.

Personally, I can't see McCain coming close to a landslide victory. However, he would easily have a more resounding win than either Bush, perhaps similar to Clinton in 1996.
FYM is not usually left of center, it is left of center. Typically in such populations regardless of size, Republican candidates do very poorly as we have seen with Bush. When any Republican candidate comes into a liberal strong hold an wins by such a margin, I do find that to be a strong indicator and something people should pay attention to even though it would not be accurate to extrapolate such a poll over the entire country.

At a minimum, any state that Bush won in 2004, McCain would obviously win in 2008. Any state that Kerry only barely won in 2004( by under 5 percentage points), I think McCain would easily win. When it comes to the democratic strongholds, I think McCain has a good chance to win there.
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