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Old 08-15-2006, 01:08 AM   #31
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But Americans are long known to vote primarily on image and not on substance.
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Old 08-15-2006, 01:23 AM   #32
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I think both sides have a couple of strong contenders for the party ticket.

Republicans:
John McCain for the image like other posters have said.
Chuck Hagel who has got into the spotlight with his Iraq stand.
Major Giuliani for the image like McCain because of 9/11.
I believe McCain wins the ticket because Giuliani won't run and Hagel is too good of canidate to actually win. We don't get men like Hagel in the Oval Office.

Democrats:
Hilary Clinton for lots of obvious reasons.
Joe Biden for being the kind of no nosense politician we hope for.
Barrack Obama because he represents the future of the country.
Hilary wins the ticket because Bill and Al Gore have such an influence on the party that they will make this happen. Biden like Dean and Hagel is too good to be in the White House. The country isn't far enough along to elect someone of a minority so Obama has no shot.

A McCain vs. Hilary race would be great. I really don't know who would win it.
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It just amazes me to read some comments in this thread, where even Americans supportive of a woman or a member of a minority being President write off the chances of it happening because the country evidently isn't "ready for it". What kind of a pathetic Stone Age is the US stuck in?!

In comparison, in New Zealand, all of our highest offices are held by women: the reigning monarch, the Prime Minister (the second female PM in a row), the Chief Justice, the Speaker of Parliament, and the Governor-General (though Dame Silvia Cartwright's term as Governor-General is over and will soon be transferred to a man). I don't see why a candidate's sex or race is even an issue; if a candidate has the policies and abilities, anyone who doesn't vote for them just because the person is female or of a minority is frankly a moron and should be sent back to primary school to learn a thing or two.

If a woman or member of a minority can't get elected as President, the US should be ashamed of itself.
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If a woman or member of a minority can't get elected as President, the US should be ashamed of itself.
You are completely right, Axver. I love the fact that other countries are lead by people of all groups and both sexes. The truth is the US should be ashamed by the country as a whole. We are such an advanced country but for some reason we lack the tolerance to elect with the same kind of equality found in other countries. It says something about a country when all thier presidents are white, male and of basically the same religion. I can't defend the part of this country, Axver.
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Giuliani / Romney
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:22 AM   #36
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It just amazes me to read some comments in this thread, where even Americans supportive of a woman or a member of a minority being President write off the chances of it happening because the country evidently isn't "ready for it". What kind of a pathetic Stone Age is the US stuck in?!
Well I live here and I ask the same question. As far as a woman goes, perhaps you don't have to look much past FYM to see that people aren't "ready for it". That of course is a generalization, there are exceptions to that here- thankfully. Ones that I hold on to for dear life sometimes. I suppose as long as they're no longer on their periods, they're not "bitches" like Hillary, they still know their place and are not one of those strident feminists, and they're not "hags" they might have a chance
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I think a lot of people will say this, but only because he has cultivated a very strong image. His substance is still conservative, despite his token resistance that usually ends with him voting the party line.

But Americans are long known to vote primarily on image and not on substance. McCain certainly has the advantage on that front.

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Exactly. She doesn't really follow politics much, and has that opinion as your typical voter. She pays some attention to the debates and the issues running up to the election, but I'd say she is your typical voter. McCain has a good chance because of this.

On the flip side, as one person I know pointed out, if Clinton runs, women may feel like they HAVE to vote for her, because they just need it to happen once to make all of the doubt go away. I have never said this to a woman, but I'd be interested to hear how they feel.

I, by the way, am an independent and will vote after watching both candidates in the months going up to ... wait, I'll be 17 in 08...damn.
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im not american but i want Hilary clinton in the running.
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im not american but i want Hilary clinton in the running.
Same here.. i'm not american, but would love hilary to participate
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im not american but i want Hilary clinton in the running.
Me too, because there's no way she will win.
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Lord no please not Hillary She'd get creamed in a general election.


Glad to see folks other than myself plugging Warner.


There are some fine women senators I'd love to see run for president, but other than Hillary I don't think any of them want to run unfortunately.
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I think Warner is shit out of luck to be honest, unless he moves to the left a bit. Just a sense I get about how the Dem primaries will go, particularly if they end up winning big this November.

I love Feingold. After melon linked to his wiki page, I watched some of his old campaign ads - fabulous! I really like Wes Clark as a human being, not necessarily a presidential candidate. Plus I think he's kind of old-man hot, so sue me.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:17 PM   #44
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Me too, because there's no way she will win.
I've done the maths, and 0.00 doesn't look great.
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I agree, Antiram- Wes Clark has great eyes.
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