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Old 11-08-2005, 05:31 PM   #1
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2005 Election results!! post your thoughts here -> <-

These are the 3? elections to watch.

1 New Jersey Gov. Race

2. Virginia Gov. Race

3. California - referendum on GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger government-overhaul measures



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Voters in New Jersey and Virginia picked governors Tuesday after high-spending, mean-spirited campaigns that were closely watched by political analysts for signs of the public's mood ahead of next year's midterm elections. Elsewhere, New York and a few other major cities selected mayors.


Statewide ballot referendums put gay rights before the voters in Maine and Texas, while several government-overhaul measures on the ballot in California were seen as a referendum on GOP Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, who campaigned hard for them..
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It will be interesting to see if the $100+ Million spent by the unions to defeat Props 74, 75, 76 & 77 will work.
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A friend at work said that at least Arnie got them to spend them selves out on this election.

btw, did you see the L A Times ed. recommendations on this election?
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It will be interesting to see if the $100+ Million spent by the unions to defeat Props 74, 75, 76 & 77 will work.





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did you see the L A Times ed. recommendations on this election?
here they are
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Proposition 74: Yes. Expanding the probationary period for new teachers from two years to five is a small but worthwhile educational reform.

Proposition 75: Yes. Public employee unions wield disproportionate influence in Sacramento, and this measure would help rein it in.

Proposition 76: No. This measure would grant the governor's office too much authority over the state budget.

Proposition 77: Yes. Letting a panel of retired state judges draw state and congressional district boundaries offers the best chance for real political competition and an end to gridlock.



and some call the L A Times a liberal rag?
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I have a suspicion that Diebold will steal Virginia for the GOP.
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ok

one more picture of Kaine and U2deomocrat



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A friend at work said that at least Arnie got them to spend them selves out on this election.

btw, did you see the L A Times ed. recommendations on this election?
Seems like a reasonable approach on the Arnold initiatives.

And yes, the unions will be hurting for the next couple of years. I heard news reports that the election spending nearly put the teacher's union into bankruptcy.
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I have a suspicion that Diebold will steal Virginia for the GOP.
Diebold would make any detail-oriented person nervous, that's for sure.

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i always request a paper ballot at the polls


they never ask me for i d

they just have me sign my name

and write my address



touching a screen that is supposedly recorded on a tape that may get transported to a central tabulation place

.... many ways for tampering to occur.
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Oh my God, I live in New Jersey, and this governers race is just the most pathetic and irritating thing I have ever experienced. I swear, every SINGLE campaign ad I've seen from either candidate is just a blatant smear tactic!

I just saw one this morning, OK get this. It was an ad smearing Doug Forester for his use of smear tactics in his campaign!

That's a paradox! Blatant hipocrocy. A SMEAR AD CONDEMNING THE OPPONENT FOR RUNNING A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!!

I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS!
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Kaine is winning!

U2dem, if he wins, I'll buy you a beer.

When you're 21, of course.
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Yes I now would like to revise my opinion. Kaine will quite probably win it.

The Republicans must have programmed the machines wrongly.
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Oh my God, I live in New Jersey, and this governers race is just the most pathetic and irritating thing I have ever experienced. I swear, every SINGLE campaign ad I've seen from either candidate is just a blatant smear tactic!

I just saw one this morning, OK get this. It was an ad smearing Doug Forester for his use of smear tactics in his campaign!

That's a paradox! Blatant hipocrocy. A SMEAR AD CONDEMNING THE OPPONENT FOR RUNNING A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!!

I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS!
The largest paradox is that, when polled, most people decry negative campaigning. Yet, when it comes to the effectiveness of negative campaigning, it is proven that people respond to that better than positive campaigning. The only way negative campaigning will end is when the public ceases to listen to it.

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The only way negative campaigning will end is when the public ceases to listen to it.

What about legislation? I think that PART of the reason that negative campaigning has become ingrained in the US system is that libel laws are fairly loose.

So, the downside of having full and frank freedom expression is negative campaigning.

It is perhaps a matter of choosing between tougher libel/slander laws or full and free rights to expression.

But if restrictions on freedom of speech are advocated, the US Constitution is a stumbling block.
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What about legislation? I think that PART of the reason that negative campaigning has become ingrained in the US system is that libel laws are fairly loose.

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But if restrictions on freedom of speech are advocated, the US Constitution is a stumbling block.
The trouble with such laws is that the Supreme Court has a tradition of particularly protecting expressions of political speech. I tend to think that any law that would try to ban negative campaigning would likely be declared unconstitutional.

And, yes, libel and slander laws are particularly difficult to enforce when it comes to public figures, such as Hollywood celebrities and politicians. That's why celebrity gossip mags generally have as little to fear as smarmy politicians.

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