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Old 04-01-2002, 07:13 PM   #1
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Is it better to be knowledgable about the world--thus embittered and angered about all the corruption about it, frustrated by your inability to change it--or to be blissfully ignorant of the world around you--thus under the illusion that life is perfect and always happy?

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Old 04-01-2002, 07:41 PM   #2
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i.e. Blue pill or Red pill?

I've given considerable thought to your question, and have arrived at the conclusion that I'm happy as hell that I don't have to make that choice.
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difficult question to answer..... its very easy to ignore it all and just live in bliss... sorta like going to a U2 concert, nothing offensive intended there. i love going to U2 concerts, its way to escape it all... and live in the moment...

somehow im leaning toward that side of living in the moment rather than striving my whole life to reach for something that might be impossible, but i cannot say enough words or compliments to express my admiration for those who will give up their life here on earth in hte persuit of trying to achieve such impossible goals...

i.e. Mother Teresa...

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How about -
acquire knowledge and then make wise decisions
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create your own happiness?

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How about -
acquire knowledge and then make wise decisions
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create your own happiness?

That's the best thing I've evr heard you say.

Thanks.
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Old 04-01-2002, 09:07 PM   #6
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Time for a signature change. Like it?

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Okay, I'm totally ducking the question here, but why must knowledge of the follies and sins of man condemn one to a life of frustration and bitterness?

After all, a wise man once said "I can't change the world but I can change the world in me."
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I like to consider myself knowledgeable (keep all giggles on the inside please ), so I'm past the choice to be ignorant. Lately I've been thinking about how great a life I have. If I could I'd go into the Peace Corps along with sula, but I want to go to college first. So I've been getting really involved with Jubilee and Drop the Debt. It makes me feel like I'm doing something and it's helping me get my foot in the doorway of helping others. So my answer is get educated, never stop learning, then help the world to be a better place. Change the world within you then outside of you.

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Is it better to be knowledgable about the world--thus embittered and angered about all the corruption about it, frustrated by your inability to change it--or to be blissfully ignorant of the world around you--thus under the illusion that life is perfect and always happy?

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hmm. Well perhaps the other related question would be are the two mutually exclusive?
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hmm. Well perhaps the other related question would be are the two mutually exclusive?
Probably not, at least if you have access to large amounts of morphine, Prozac, Valium, etc.
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I would choose saccharine. Hey, it's been known to kill laboratory rats, but at least it's less fattening.
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How about -
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create your own happiness?

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I *gasp* like this.
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Is it better to be knowledgeable about the world--thus embittered and angered about all the corruption about it, frustrated by your inability to change it--or to be blissfully ignorant of the world around you--thus under the illusion that life is perfect and always happy?
I've thought about this since I was a child and still cannot decide.

A source of my unhappiness is that I can't stop thinking, or at least rarely do. I've had a few friends who I've discussed this with and we've all noticed that in some sense ignorant people tend to be "happier".

The thing is, I think about the times when I'm not thinking. Usually it's when I'm doing something on auto pilot and there is nothing else to fill my brain. These times when I'm not thinking really scare the hell out of me. First cause it's a different sense of being than I normally have, second because it makes me wonder about the people who seem to always be on automatic pilot.

To sort of bring back to what your talking about. My inability to change a world of corruption does frustrate me. It reminds me of a skit that comedian Bill Hicks used to do concerning the two political parties, where he had one hand talking to the other hand, but both run by the same operator. With a lot of Hicks comedy he was trying to change people's minds, and in the course of his routines you could sometimes hear him growing more and more frustrated. Some times to the point where it was disheartening as a listener to hear someone trying to make an audience listen and the audience is a brick wall.

But as someone who sees corruption, some times I think that’s all you can do, talk to brick walls. It may be frustrating and disheartening, but at least it’s a venting mechanism.

As for happiness, I think people destroy far too much in the pursuit of their own personal happiness. I think happiness is a fleeting thing and wouldn’t be special if it wasn’t. I flip back and forth between what’s better, being “aware” or being “happy”, but in the end it doesn’t matter because I’m the way I am. I’ll have to take what comfort I can from that.

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It’s off topic, but you asked what we thought of the new signature. I don’t have the context of the quote, so I may be misinterpreting it.

My question is, what political creedo doesn’t involve endless work for the price of luxury? That is the price of luxury to a certain extent, though I know(personally and otherwise) people who don’t work anymore and live in what I would call luxury. I also know people on the opposite end who are greedy and don’t work and live in shite. I personally just want to live well and at a certain point stop working, like my grandparents did and my grandparents before them.

Also, what political programme is based on “bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness.”? Cause I can’t remember that party on the ticket when I voted, and believe me, I was in such a bad mood when I looked at my choices, that I probably would have voted right down the BDAIH party lines just out of spite.

Finally, “elevation of greed” is a human vice and It happens everywhere despite social standing, politics, education, locality, etc. etc. etc. And again I don’t remember seeing the party that espoused this on my ticket. I remember seeing some candidates who espoused this, but they belonged to a few different parties.

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I've thought about this since I was a child and still cannot decide.

A source of my unhappiness is that I can't stop thinking, or at least rarely do. I've had a few friends who I've discussed this with and we've all noticed that in some sense ignorant people tend to be "happier".

The thing is, I think about the times when I'm not thinking. Usually it's when I'm doing something on auto pilot and there is nothing else to fill my brain. These times when I'm not thinking really scare the hell out of me. First cause it's a different sense of being than I normally have, second because it makes me wonder about the people who seem to always be on automatic pilot.

To sort of bring back to what your talking about. My inability to change a world of corruption does frustrate me. It reminds me of a skit that comedian Bill Hicks used to do concerning the two political parties, where he had one hand talking to the other hand, but both run by the same operator. With a lot of Hicks comedy he was trying to change people's minds, and in the course of his routines you could sometimes hear him growing more and more frustrated. Some times to the point where it was disheartening as a listener to hear someone trying to make an audience listen and the audience is a brick wall.

But as someone who sees corruption, some times I think that’s all you can do, talk to brick walls. It may be frustrating and disheartening, but at least it’s a venting mechanism.

As for happiness, I think people destroy far too much in the pursuit of their own personal happiness. I think happiness is a fleeting thing and wouldn’t be special if it wasn’t. I flip back and forth between what’s better, being “aware” or being “happy”, but in the end it doesn’t matter because I’m the way I am. I’ll have to take what comfort I can from that.

I agree with everything you said here. Great post.

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From what I've seen the less knowledged always find something to be unhappy about anyway, it's just less relevant things like my neighbour has a nicer car, it's a shame I only have two days off per week and to work eight hours a days is too much and on and on. To be knowledged and aware of what's around you open your eyes to see how much we have to be happy about.

So I'd rather be knowledged and be happy about my life compared to how bad it can be and maybe in that awareness help one person to a better life, it's not about saving all people out there. I think the happiness that would give, is so much greater then any of those who is ignorant can ever be.

It is frustrating, yes, but I rather be frustrated over these things then that my neighbour has a nicer car.

Just my thoughts...

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