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Old 01-02-2004, 10:42 AM   #16
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According to Michael Moore (if you wish to believe him), the Democratic Party establishment has written off the 2004 election as a loss and is focusing their energies on 2008.

I would severely hate a Bush re-election, but this could be a mirror of 1956. Of course, that could also mean that the next election could be a mirror of 1960, and we all know what happened from there...

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Old 01-02-2004, 10:47 AM   #17
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But if you ask the Republican Party what they refer to by "middle class," you'll get figures of anywhere from $100,000 to $300,000 a year, which ignores much of the nation. Maybe it is about time we start legally defining these very politically ambiguous terms?

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Old 01-02-2004, 11:42 AM   #18
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I would love to know what people think middle class is in here!!!!!
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Old 01-02-2004, 12:44 PM   #19
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I think middle class depends on where you're living. If it's in one of those beautiful apartments on the Upper West Side, certainly middle class is different from a suburb of Buffalo.

However, on average, I would think middle class would be around $70-$100K/household/year.
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:35 PM   #20
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I think we need a new thread here....LOL
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Old 01-02-2004, 04:25 PM   #21
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I just saw a Dean sticker on someone's car and the location was not getting picketed.
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Old 01-03-2004, 02:17 PM   #22
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Wow, if the left at FYM is already predicting a Bush victory in 2004, its definitely over for the Democrats in 2004.
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Wow, if the left at FYM is already predicting a Bush victory in 2004, its definitely over for the Democrats in 2004.
We don't have a crystal ball, and I still think there's some uncertainty over the primary results. But 2004 is thus far not looking good for the Democrats. I may be a liberal but I'm hopefully not a self-deceiver.
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Old 01-03-2004, 08:10 PM   #24
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Perhaps Democrats have grown cynical. Let's hope that they haven't grown apathetic.

As a cynical voter, I will cast my vote against Bush. At this rate, however, I may try my luck in Toronto in a year or so.

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Old 01-04-2004, 12:42 AM   #25
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As a cynical voter, I will cast my vote against Bush. At this rate, however, I may try my luck in Toronto in a year or so.
3 years and you've got citizenship.

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Well, I would never renounce my U.S. citizenship, because, in spite of the fact that I think this nation is devolving into a nation of fearmongering, cheap labor, and impossibly large personal debt, I still love this nation. I guess I find myself frustrated at what seems to be a nation contented with ripping itself apart, and I don't know if I want to sit back and watch it ruin itself.

Dual citizenship certainly isn't out of the equation. Toronto already feels like a second home, and I know some fantastic people there...

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I feel the same--I'd never give up my citizenship, just because I don't like some stuff that's going on. There's no perfect society and every country has its problems. I love my country. I might like dual citizenship. That'd definitely be interesting. But I'll always be an American, no matter who's in the White House.
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hmm, if Dean indeed is even worse than Bush
then these next elections could turn into the wet dream of every stand-up comedian
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I hold dual citizenship, and if it were possible for me to hold triple citizenship, I would have taken a German passport years ago for purposes of easy EU travel.
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