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Old 08-15-2005, 08:22 PM   #16
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:24 PM   #17
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I'm forced to say that this is not so much the case anymore. An inspector who works for an airline said to someone I know personally that most airlines these days have outsourced their inspections and maintenance to places like Singapore. However, some American inspectors do exist, and when they had inspected a plane that had not been inspected in the U.S. for six years, it had 6,000 violations. But in Singapore, it had "passed" every time.

I'm quite afraid that too much time has passed now since 9/11, and we're starting to go back to our usual pattern of behavior: corporations doing anything to save a buck and the government looking the other way. Seeing this latest rash of plane crashes makes me afraid of the near future.

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First off....since when did TWO became rash? This is fearmongering as bad as any US media outlet or Karl Rove. Especially "someone I know said...." Come on Melon...I expect better from you.

Second...any US aircraft...even as the airlines (that HAVE been outsourcing aircraft maintenance for YEARS), still need to meet FAA airworthy regulations. Southwest has outsourced since its inception.

Another good example...there is an airline that is big in your former home state (Melon) that is facing a strike from
its mechanics. The company has ASKED FAA inspectors to come on the property to join in the process as they try to keep the airline flying during the work action.

You can tell people you heard that from someone who works for an airline!
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Old 08-15-2005, 09:16 PM   #18
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Especially "someone I know said...."
I'm covering up my sources like a good journalist should. It's a lot closer than you think.

There are laws and FAA regulations, but are they being enforced like they should? Can the FAA enforce its regulations on ALL American planes, or is it a game of "catch me if you can"?

Is catching 6,000 violations of FAA standards on a single plane a sign of success or failure, according to FAA standards? There's a question worth asking.

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Does anyone know what the logo represents on the tail fin of the airplane.............

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First off....since when did TWO became rash?
Make that THREE now. Venezuela just had a crash with 152 passengers onboard. It's unclear as to whether anyone survived.

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I just saw about the crash in Venezuala.
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And wasn't there a crash in Italy recently? That would be four, if my memory serves me correctly.

1) Air France
2) (Italy)
3) Greece
4) Venezuela

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and yes there was a plane crash in Italy. It crashed in the sea.
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Yes. That was a charter flight...an ATR.

Outside of the Air France incident (that sounds like it has to do with weather...and EVERYONE survived), the airline companies involved will face quite a bit of questioning. It sounds as if the pilot involved in this incident was hired by an outside agency by the airline to do the flying. I am sure his training will be questioned. Much the same with today's incident in South America.

It is safe to say...I would avoid charter carriers in the states...nevermind anywhere else.
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It is safe to say...I would avoid charter carriers in the states...nevermind anywhere else.
I'd say that's a bare minimum.

Anyway, I really hope that U.S. airliners can keep up on their good trends right now. Four years without a major airline crash is almost unheard of, and I think this might be a side benefit of our airline security concerns, which is a very good thing.

I just hope we aren't getting complacent.

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corporations doing anything to save a buck and the government looking the other way.
Can ANYONE tell me what the actual value for a plane ride (let's just say per mile per passenger) before any airline profit?

I will not defend any corporation who scrimps and scrapes away and spites safety for a dollar...but at the same time, people are NOT willing to pay any more than they have to for a flight...and then complain when you take away pretzels and pillows.
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I will not defend any corporation who scrimps and scrapes away and spites safety for a dollar...but at the same time, people are NOT willing to pay any more than they have to for a flight...and then complain when you take away pretzels and pillows.
Scrimping on pillows and pretzels is one thing. Scrimping on airline inspections is another.

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exactly what I said.

If the FAA is turning a blind eye...pray for all of us. But if you have ever had to stare down an FAA inspector and explain what you are doing - as well as show her/him how you are complying with specified regulations, I think you would have quite a bit of confidence in the FAA as a goverment agency. No going to "someone you know very well" there.

Now, the OTHER arm of the FAA, the TSA: different story.
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Melon...

You are aware of the airline I was speaking of, right?

Here is what I have been talking about: FAA and potential strike
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Of course.

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In recent months, the union has been harshly critical of the quality of outsourced maintenance and has accused the FAA of lax oversight of third-party maintenance shops.
This might be what my source was referring to when talking about the 6,000 violations on a plane that had been serviced six years in Singapore, with not one American-based inspection during that time.

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