Why SYCMIOYO will never compare to ONE...

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riteshbhatt1 said:


You mean another dreadful song like that, I hope not!

Dreadful song heheheh, you mean if the song hasn't got a catchy chorus then its crap. Here is a quote from another review and it is exactly correct

"In striving to maintain its current position as the world's greatest rock band, U2 has reduced its music to a winning formula - but a formula nonetheless. ``How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb''substitutes familiarity for revelation."

U2's albums up to ATYCLB were about REVELATION and not familarity. They are now travelling in a straight line instead of inspiring music, its sounding like they are re-treading old ground. I will dare anyone to tell me that songs like Miracle Drug & All Because Of You do not sound like past tunes like Beautiful Day & Desire!
 
yep, you're probably right, but I don't have a problem with this. I LOVE U2 music, and they haven't put out any classic U2 for some time. Noone else can do it like them, and if they did they'd be plagiarising, so the only way for the fans who want more classic U2 to get it, is for U2 to make it.

But you're right, point taken
 
rjhbonovox said:


Dreadful song heheheh, you mean if the song hasn't got a catchy chorus then its crap. Here is a quote from another review and it is exactly correct


Thanks for putting the words in my mouth. You lost your argument here, "another review and it is exactly correct." When are reviews correct? Just because they reaffirm your beliefs or ideas? It's not the Bible.
 
The way i see it, with this album U2 is in the same situation they were in 1988/89: coming from a huge record in sales terms (Joshua Tree then and now ATYCLB) and kind of repeating the formula, with a harder approach on the next record (Rattle & Hum then and HTDAAB now).

U2 must change for the next album and i think even the boys in the band will feel this urge.

Or U2 change or they will become the next Rolling Stones. And that's a fact.
 
riteshbhatt1 said:


Thanks for putting the words in my mouth. You lost your argument here, "another review and it is exactly correct." When are reviews correct? Just because they reaffirm your beliefs or ideas? It's not the Bible.

No, you said that Miami is crap and I said why? cos it hasn't got a catchy chorus or hook? I wasn't agreeing with you. Miami is a great song that scared a lot of casual fans. But it is a GREAT album song. A far more daring song than anything on HTDAAB, maybe Love and Peace Or Else is the closest thing to U2 being daring on this album, and I reckon that is a great song also.
 
Zooropa and Pop were pretty good albums. They were not great IMO. U2 obviously feels they can make a better album at this point in their careers by being less abstract. With AB they were able to make hits without being in your face and formulaic. Either way, HTDAAB is better than anything else out there at the moment.
 
beau2ifulday said:


Absolutely. I feel that OOTS is more universally powerful than SYCMIOYO.

Yes I definetly agree with this statement, Original Of The Species is another great song from the album. Far stronger than SYCMIOYO.
 
rjhbonovox said:
Another over rated song mentioned in the thread above is Stuck In A Moment. While being a good tune its not outstanding and 4 years on is not growing into a classic tune, same will be said of SYCMIOYO.

Do you have a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future or something? Shut up and let time be the judge of this one.

Some of the utter crap being thrown around on this thread is unbelieveable. It's not even worth responding to.
 
Axver said:



Some of the utter crap being thrown around on this thread is unbelieveable. It's not even worth responding to.

It's only worth "intelligent" comments like the ones you made telling he to shut up... Cute...
 
OK - why are you guys comparing a song that has been played over 1,000 times for almost every cause in America and the UK that is on a classic album from over 10 years ago with a song that most of us just heard for the first time 3 weeks ago. A song that has never been played live for over 1,000 people that has no current meaning other than the loss of Bono's dad. In time, we will feel the song rather than hear it. Give it time, sheesh!

As for Miami - worst U2 song ever. It doesn't sound like U2. At all. No, it doesn't have a catchy chorus. No, it doesn't have good lyrics (miami, my mammy?!?! come on!). I can barely hear The Edge or Adam, and I doubt that Larry is playing that looped beat in the background. Oh well, just my opinion.
 
Everyone needs to simma' down a little bit. First off, we need to stop calling U2's music from the aughts subpar to everything they did. Reminiscing of their "glory days" will not do anything. They had their fun (90's) and now it is time to just make the kind of music they want, whether that is obscure Brian Eno stuff (no slam intended) or music that can get people interested in them in the final years of their career. After a band quits, the only way they can still draw people in is to bring out countless renditions of different greatest hits compilations (the beatles). They definitely deserve to be able to do what they want with their music. They took chances for twenty years and succeeded:drool:
 
Axver said:


Do you have a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future or something? Shut up and let time be the judge of this one.

Some of the utter crap being thrown around on this thread is unbelieveable. It's not even worth responding to.


Heheh cos I don't agree with the "everything U2 will do is great" fans on here, like you I suppose. I can't believe some of comments that I read sometimes on here after a fan has heard a song for the first time and then claim it to be the best thing they have ever done. I am a Big U2 fan but some people on here just go "waaaay" over the top.

I am putting across an opinion that is mine. You don't have to agree with it but just cos you don't agree with it doesn't give you the right to call my opinions crap.
 
today sometimes you can't make it on your own really clicked in as an epic song to me ... the way he sings about his relationship with his father is so moving.. and i finally got the part where he says "you're the reason why the opera is in me" (his father was a tenor).. i can also relate to the part that goes "hey now... i still gotta let you know, a house doesn't make a home, don't leave me here alone"
 
For me,
Kite is never going to be beaten as a tribute to his dad, seeing him sing that live with so much emotion, after telling a concert room full of people about his ill father was truly moving


SYCMIOYO is a emotional flag.
It reminds me of that moment
 
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U2_Guy said:


Oh my God... In between AB and HTDAAB there were some albums my friend, maybe you didn't know them: Zooropa, Passengers and Pop. ATYCLB... that doesn't count... :huh:

Zooropa is my favorite U2 album but I still don't any one song on there can beat "Sometimes..."
 
rjhbonovox said:


Yes I definetly agree with this statement, Original Of The Species is another great song from the album. Far stronger than SYCMIOYO.

I agree that Original and SYCMIOYO are the two big guns on this album. They're at the top of the heap, with Miracle Drug and City of Blinding Lights close behind
 
i think it's stupid to compare a brand new song to a classic, or compare the new album to an album that was released 13 years ago. if anything, compare it to their last album. Christ, the album isn't even out yet! i think people around here just like to stir shit up...
 
rjhbonovox said:



Heheh cos I don't agree with the "everything U2 will do is great" fans on here, like you I suppose.

christ. i am so sick of comments like this. just because someone likes a song that you don't doesn't mean that they fit that description. the fact that you resorted to this shows the weakness in your argument.


anyway, back on topic, i'll just say that i feel lucky that i see the true beauty in "Sometimes" and didn't have reason to make a thread like this.:)
 
Something struck me as I was listening to SYCMIOYO a few minutes ago - I think this is the most raw, emotional song U2 has done in a long, long time. I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone with an ounce of humanity could help but be moved by it. Great job, guys.

However, I don't think it will ever be a universal anthem like One. First of all, One grabs you from the very beginning and doesn't let go, while it takes you a while to get into SYCMIOYO. The song almost creeps up on you until you totally get sucked in about halfway to three-quarters through. Also, One has better lyrics. Don't get me wrong, I like the lyrics on SYCMIOYO, but One is so amazing - I remember hearing the lines "love is a temple/love the higher law/you ask me to enter/and then you make me crawl" for the first time and thinking "Holy :censored: "
 
rjhbonovox said:
Eg AOR sounding, very commercial. Making music that the masses will love.

I disagree. I do notice that, generally, UK bands are more abstract in their lyrics and American music is more direct.

In terms of SYCMIOYO, Bono has written a song that speaks directly to his father. Terms like listen to me now and i've got to let you know are very touching, powerful, and gives the song a sense of urgency. You can almost picture Bono clutching to his father, sharing with him as much as he can before he passes, pleading to get his messages through to him and be with him. To say that this is commercial and is intended for the masses is just plain wrong.

Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion, but it just seemed absurd to me when I read your assertion identifying this song as commercialism. It's his father for fuck's sake!
 
90's U2 was great--just as great as 80's U2. But Miami was an awful song. Staring at the Sun was average. Painfully average.
Talk about AOR.
Discotheque was ok, it had a great riff from Edge. It's about as good as Vertigo. Please, Gone, MOFO and WUDM are the real gems of Pop.
It's sad that some of the 90's fans who were so critical of the fans who only loved the 80's music and wouldn't join the Zoo
now find themselves in the same position.

Nostalgia for the 90's. How sad.
 
mikal said:
i wish people would stop comparinging all the time and just enjoy the songs.

thats true, but u can compair it to one...... i dont really care, they are both amazing songs
 
Howdy, long time Wire member here, first time poster....

I think I'm straddling the fence on this one. I think Sometimes is a great song, but I'd have to agree that it's doubtful it will earn a place in the Pantheon alongside One, unless the band forces it down everyone's ears in every show until the end of their touring career.

The problem lies not in the songwriting but more in the presentation. One was post-modern stripped down ballad building up to a celestial climax. The style of Sometimes kind of screams adult contemporary, even if it's superb AC. The falsetto, so bizaarely effective in the outer-space transmission of Lemon, sounds obvious here. I have to be honest that the first time I heard that chorus, I cringed at what OTHER listeners might think upon hearing it. It's beautifully sung, but it is possibly the most mainstream thing I've heard from the band.

Also, we have a break that sounds totally lifted from Walk On, and while the guitar parts that line the latter half of the song are nice, they are Edge 101. By comparison, as One builds and builds Edge gets deeper and deeper into the sorrow of thr piece. Come on, The Egde playing on a song inspired by his doomed marriage? The guy is grazing the stratosphere on this one, perhaps plowing through it. Bono's vocal emoting at the end of the song is surpassed only by the "hoooooooo" from Running to Stand Still.

In Sometimes' defense, onn an album where the word "heart" is totally overused, the new song is magically free of cliche. But perhaps the specificity of lines like "you're the reason I have operas in me" may prevent this from being as UNIVERSAL as One, which has been interpreted in so many ways by so many people.

In the end, Sometimes might only be revered by U2 fans who KNOW what the song is about. You don't have to be privy to Edge's relationship woes to feel the power of One. Musically the 1991 gem packs a much heavier punch.

On a side note, I'd like to chime in to the Miami debate as well. Although the song has many detractors, it's a little unfair to act like this is the band's Revolution #9. It's not unlistenable. And while Larry might be on a loop for the first half of the song, when he does come in it's on the waves of Led Zeppelin's When the Levee Breaks, and he kicks some SERIOUS ass. Some of the best playing in his career. Plus, the Jane's Addiction-esque "baa baa baas" is a nice touch. Adam is doing some fantastic work. Edge's solo right after Bono's "car chase" line makes you feel like you're speeding down some highway. For a band effort, this song is very accomplished.

The main beef seems to be with the lyrics, and it's a little lame to keep bringing up the "Miami, my mammy" when the rest of the lyrics really take you to the place they're describing. The evoke a real atmosphere. They're cinematic. Let's not forget that Allen Ginsburg himself was filmed reading these lyric. By comparison, New York sounds a lot more postcard in its description. Miami comes from a Castro-dressing Bono who was REALLY soaking up the place.


laz
 
Well laz, I will have to agree with everything you have said about both songs. "Sometimes" is a bit to mainstream sounding for my taste, to obvious like a Bon Jovi track(not quite that bad but still..) and Miami is a GREAT album track and a diverse offering from a band that was (back then in 1997) not afraid to doing diverse tracks unlike today I'm sorry to say.
 
SYCMIOYO is a great song. I believe it doesn't compare but it does live up there with the great songs.
 
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