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Old 03-28-2002, 12:11 AM   #1
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Who else misses the POP era?? (POP appreciation thread)

...when U2 were deliberately trying to do stuff they had NEVER done before, when they were not concerned with alienating audiences, or how many teens in the 12-18 demographic gave a crap about them.

U2 wasn't about incessant marketing or making paint-by-the-numbers FM-lite rock tunes for cheesy soundtracks in 1997. Only the "true" U2 fans were interested, and people at the concerts weren't clamoring for Sunday Bloody Sunday. It was a great time, people.

POP is a flawed, but ultimately brilliant album. It will stand the test of time and ultimately prove more lasting and more influential than ATYCLB. POP is an easy bashing target for many casual U2 fans or 80s U2 fans (is there a worse kind?) But this album and the clever stadium tour that followed will be REDEEMED. Light years ahead of their time.

From Discotheque to SATS to the blistering live renditions of LNOE and Please, to the complexity of Gone and Do You Feel Loved?, the SONGS are there. Unfortunately, the odds are increasingly against U2 making another album anywhere in the same zip code as the revolutionary and ground breaking Achtung-Zooropa-POP trio.
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haha!!!

see, this is why many of us who love Pop get drilled by the haters of Pop because you've gone to the trouble of setting yourself on a higher plain than fans who don't like Pop

not that I disagree with you, but be prepared for a good ole bashing here lad, and it won't be pretty once staunch Pop haters like Salome, 80sBest and Scatteroflight arrive on the scene... you're fucked, there's no way around that now (p.s., if I've incorrectly identified you as a member of the male persuasion I apologize)

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So, just because I think POP is U2 weakest album, that makes me a casual fan Or a fan stuck in the 80's? That's weird since Achtung baby is what made me become a huge U2 fan, and I was too young to enjoy U2 in the 80's.

I guess I'm not a "True" U2 fan.
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Pop era...okay, I did like the Popmart shows and the bootlegs that came from them but I don't miss all the bad-mouthing the band got during that era. Fans and the media just got to be too much. I look back and I remember a lot of negativity at that time. I wasn't sure where the band was going, but I just look at it as a grand detour. I LOVED the Pop songs live though. I just kind of leave it at that.

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...when U2 were deliberately trying to do stuff they had NEVER done before, when they were not concerned with alienating audiences, or how many teens in the 12-18 demographic gave a crap about them.
Actually I think ATYCLB fit the first part of what you said to a degree. As for reaching out to the younger generation (teens), I thought that was one of the reasons for the creation of POP. They wanted to be relevant to the youth.

I hate the fact that both the Popmart tour and the album are being underrated by critics and some fans. POP is equal if not better then ATYCLB IMO. At least lyrically it is so much better. I hope that it ages well alah Weezer's Pinkerton.



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Old 03-28-2002, 01:52 AM   #6
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...when U2 were deliberately trying to do stuff they had NEVER done before, when they were not concerned with alienating audiences, or how many teens in the 12-18 demographic gave a crap about them.
ah yes, back when they were trying to be cool even though U2 will never be cool and concerned with alienating audiences who think they have superior musical taste like yourself

like I've posted here 2 weeks ago, 2 weeks before that and 2 weeks before that etc.:
POP was good, but nothing special in the U2 catalogue as far as I'm concerned
POPMart ruled

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Old 03-28-2002, 03:38 AM   #7
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I DO!!!
Pop is a great album and IMHO, better than ATYCLB. However, I am more than happy to be seeing this incredible run of sucess U2 has enjoyed over the last year or so. It's like anything else in life, Everything has its moment. It's nice to remember them from time to time.
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POP... the times when an aging rock band tried to be hip and cool to the kids by hopping on a techno music bandwagon while wearing the most ridiculous costumes in the known universe and trying to force an undercooked album down the public's collective throat.

Nah, I love POP, it's just that I can't stand any smug statements of what "true fans" are supposed to be and what they're supposed to like. Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy knowing what a superior taste in music you have. And I really cannot understand why so many people feel the need to constantly put down ATYCLB in order to affirm POP's greatness; can't it just be praised on its own terms?

Ok, I think that Miami is a horrible stinker and Playboy Mansion & Velvet Dress are kinda lifeless, but Gone, Discotheque, Wake Up Dead Man, Last Night On Earth are all as good as anything U2 have written and Mofo is one of Bono's most personal songs ever. Bono's lyrics are simply superb except when he tries to be too clever on Playboy Mansion and comes off a bit cringeworthy IMO.

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Originally posted by Saracene:... I can't stand any smug statements of what "true fans" are supposed to be and what they're supposed to like. Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy knowing what a superior taste in music you have. And I really cannot understand why so many people feel the need to constantly put down ATYCLB in order to affirm POP's greatness; can't it just be praised on its own terms?
Yes, I agree, I am tired of seeing ATYCLB put down by the same people who 'miss Pop' too. I guess they're jealous that ATYCLB was such a bigger success with more people. I would honestly like to know, though, why is it that if you don't like Pop your are deemed not a 'true fan' yet the same people can diss ATYCLB or Oct. and remain a 'true fan?'

I am glad the Pop era is over. I disliked the sound, the look, and the general atmosphere and personality of it. I try my best to ignore it. Speaking of 'cringeworthy' that is exactly how I woud describe most of the music on that album as well as the band's image at the time. I love all of the other U2 stuff, I just skip that one. We don't all like the same things. Whatever you like or don't like, enjoy it or avoid it- it's okay! No need to put other people down.

I was only 10 when I started loving U2 for JT, does that make me 'stuck in the 80's?' I love and enjoy AB and ATYCLB, those are not 80's albums. I just do not care for Pop. So what.

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Old 03-28-2002, 09:08 AM   #10
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I`m totally with you Hawkfire.

Pop is such a great album; i just put it on tape again last week, so i can listen to it while driving around in my car.

Also i think that Pop was quit bigger in Europe than ATYCLB,or at least the same, which is good because both albums are really great in their own way. Like we all know the bashing of Pop was unfortunately an US-thing, because the US just wasn`t into the same taste of music like Europe was back in 97 (Prodigy, Chem.Brothers, Oasis..).

The main thing why i prefer Pop a little to ATYCLB is that there are 12 superior, partly experimentell, and totally different sounding songs which sound as fresh to me as they were five years ago.

And all the other things like the tour and the cool videos (Discotheque, LNOE,Please) just make me look back with a big smile.

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I love POP.

I love ATYCLB.

I am a U2 fan regardless of the two previous statements.
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same to me Sulawesigirl4; love Pop and also ATYCLB; hope you didn`t misunderstand my message. It`s just that i miss the Pop-Era, in a few years i will sure miss the ATYCLB/Elevation-Era.

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I love POP.

I love ATYCLB.

I am a U2 fan regardless of the two previous statements.
Same here.



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I am a true U2 fan even though I do not miss Pop. I think Hawkfire has been very unfair, and his 'appreciation thread' claim was contradicted by his post, which appears to bash anyone who didn't like Pop. As far as only the 'true fans' appreciating it, as a matter of fact some of the 'truest' fans I know hated it. That doesn't make anyone not a true fan. We are all free to like or leave any of their albums. I'm sure the band would be the first to say that. We are all fans or we wouldn't be here talking about them, right?
 
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...when U2 were deliberately trying to do stuff they had NEVER done before, when they were not concerned with alienating audiences, or how many teens in the 12-18 demographic gave a crap about them.

U2 wasn't about incessant marketing or making paint-by-the-numbers FM-lite rock tunes for cheesy soundtracks in 1997. Only the "true" U2 fans were interested, and people at the concerts weren't clamoring for Sunday Bloody Sunday. It was a great time, people.
I take it you don't like ATYCLB.

But you must not think much of U2 right now and that's kind of sad

So, let me see if I have this straight. With Pop, U2 didn't care if anyone liked them, and really only wanted "true fans" in the audience. And "true fans" are people who liked Pop. Hmmmm...

Actually those are common perceptions and actually were supported by many "Bono pronouncements" after Zooropa about how they didn't have to worry anymore about selling records, and were going to make music for themselves, and that people who didn't like AB and Zooropa weren't going to like what was coming.

Sooooo, it turns out that they didn't care until people didn't buy. Or so it might seem.....

On the surface it appears that they made an "about face" and "sold out" with ATYCLB and for awhile I was wondering about it myself. However, now that I've been reminded by folks here who were paying attention back then (Pop happened during a time that I had much more serious issues to deal with) that Pop was hyped as much if not more than ATYCLB, I think Bono's statements were just part of a strategy to prepare folks for something very different. (You can learn a lot from reading this forum)

IMO, the problem with Pop is that it wasn't Brilliant, and that's that. (and, of course, anyone and everyone is welcome to disagree with me )

JT was Brilliant, AB was Brilliant, and both could stand up to the hype. (Zooropa was just sort of snuck in there and wasn't perceived as a "real" record so it didn't have the pressure) Pop was the next big release and did have a lot of hype, but was merely a good record not Brilliant (again IMO). It has some amazing moments and has the potential to be brilliant, but it fell short and therefore and it didn't live up to the hype. (I really don't think the clothes or hair had any major impact)

I wasn't paying a lot of attention to U2 in the mid-late 90s. Survival issues were most on my mind during that time period, but all I remember from Pop was hype, hype, hype on MTV then--Nothing. Staring at the Sun was the only song I ever heard on the radio.

(Another issue for the US is the release of Discotheque as a single. No one in the US had used that word for at least 30 years!)

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I miss the Edge's cowboy hat.

No, but seriously - the Pop era will always stand out in my mind for two reasons. One, it is when I "found" U2. Two, U2 seemed to be darker, alittle bit hipper, and there was more attitude in the music. It showed me that you could mix many different styles of music but still be who you are.

I remember listening to Pop for the first time in my portable cd player in Fort Myers, Florida. It was my second U2 album (Achtung was the first) and I was excited. The swirling intro of "Discotheque", the mad frenzy of "mofo", the sad soul of "if God will send his angels", the dark and simple "Miami" (I still don't know why people don't like this song), and the hopelessness of "Wake up deadman".

Then there was Popmart. I was only about 13 at the time and my dad took me. The few parts that still remain in my mind was the loud sound surrounding me. It was my first major concert and the sound was incredible. I remember Bono doing the tango with a fan during "Miami". I remember the lights going bonkers during "discotheque". I remember Bono playing guitar during "with or without you" instead of going into the crowd. I remember "hold me thrill me kiss me kill me".

Don't get me wrong, I love ATYCLB and Elevation - but Pop was the chapter that started it all for me and it will always be my favorite era. Up with the sun, and not coming down.

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I thought the stage setup and design was brilliant although it would have been much better if the video images used during some songs was better. If you were in a stadium audience in the back, who wouldn't want a bigger screen.

I think "Velvet Dress..." is a great song although its too quiet in some parts thus annoying to listen to. "Playboy Mansion" makes me laugh. Not best song, but defintely a good song.

POP is better then ATYCLB in some aspects but thats my opinion.

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I still don't get why "Miami" is bashed by most fans. If you really go in deep - the song structure of "Miami" and "New York" is very similar.

Drum loop. Same type of lyrics. Booming guitar parts.

I'm off subject now but my point is that "miami" is not a bad song. In fact I think of it as one of U2's "cooler" songs. It's tongue in cheek and fun.

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I am a true U2 fan even though I do not miss Pop. I think Hawkfire has been very unfair, and his 'appreciation thread' claim was contradicted by his post, which appears to bash anyone who didn't like Pop. As far as only the 'true fans' appreciating it, as a matter of fact some of the 'truest' fans I know hated it. That doesn't make anyone not a true fan. We are all free to like or leave any of their albums. I'm sure the band would be the first to say that. We are all fans or we wouldn't be here talking about them, right?
True true true. Everyone knows that Pop is the U2 album I don't like. However, I would never claim that someone who likes it and doesn't liek October (my fave) isn't a true fan. That would be ridiculous. And you know what? "Stuck In The 80s" is a compliment to me. 88% of my favorite bands were popular in the 80s.

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