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Old 11-26-2001, 02:19 PM   #1
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Upon Further Reveiew...Elevation DVD...Truth in Labeling?

Just got done wathcing the DVD for the third time and I need to mention a few observations about it's claim that it is from the 6/6 Boston show.

My observations are based on the fact that I was in the very front row of the heart on 6/5 right in front Edge and in GC seats on 6/6. Anyways...

*Most (if not all) of Elevation is from 6/5...at least the crowd shots anyway. How do I know this? Well, I can briefly see myself and my wife during the "bonocam" part when he scans the crowd as he takes the stage and the two guys we hung out with all day in the GA line are PROMINENT during much of the song. They ended up directly in front of Bono on 6/5...and neither one attended the 6/6 show! This leads me to a possible conclusion: That the actual concert footage was culled from 6/6 but that the director used the 6/5 crowd footage of Elevation POSSIBLY because of the now infamous Controversy in the Heart on 6/6...you know, where a number of fans staged a "sit in" to protest the heart selection process that night. Anyways...without question most if not all of Elevation (or the crowd itself) is from 6/5...not 6/6 as the DVD alleges.

*GONE. Here again, somewhat misleading. We all know by now that Edge's temper tantrum occured on 6/5, which culminated in the eventual smashing of his guitar. The DVD shows this rare event...but upon further review I can emphatically state that the performance of GONE is indeed from 6/6...with the exception of a clever edit by the director which shows Edge's tantrum from 6/5 which was tacked on at the end. You see, from my prime vantage point on 6/5, Edge was IRATE throughout the ENTIRE song, Dallas even came on stage during the song and he and Edge had words...not to mention that Egde spent a considerable amount of time during that song on 6/5 with his back turned to the audience as he and Dallas were fooling around with his guitar equipment and electronics behind him. So...while I have seen many of you here state that the performance of Gone from the DVD is actually 6/5...it really isn't...with the exception of the ending that was cleverly inserted. In fact, it "happens" when the camera pulls away from Larry at the end of the song and gives you a panoramic view from the back of the arena...the 6/5 footage is then spliced into the song from there. Trust me.

*UTEOTW. Again, I can briefly see myself, my wife, and two others who were next to us on 6/5 in the DVD. I had GC seats for 6/6...so either the performance is from 6/5 or again...the performance is from 6/6 but the crowd shot is from 6/5.

*DESIRE. What a MAJOR disappointment on the DVD. Anyone who was there or has the bootleg can attest to this. On the DVD, Bono's "rap" about Boston and the Kennedy's is edited out. In other words, there was a whole lot more to DESIRE than the DVD reveals. In fact, I believe that the 6/6 version of DESIRE was quite possibly the BEST live version EVER of that song, yet it didn't survive the cutting room floor. Therefore, DESIRE just doesn't "look" or feel right when watching the DVD.

*STREETS. I believe that a good chunk of STREETS is the 6/5 performance. Why? Because the 6/6 performance had the whole NBA thing with Bono bouncing a ball on stage and tossing it into the crowd etc. So, this was either heavily edited from the 6/6 performance or was from 6/5.

*Awkward editing before Wake Up Dead Man. We all know that ONE was played before this in concert, but the DVD cuts to Wake Up Dead Man. From my observations, just doesn't look natural and omits Bono's commentary regarding Third World Debt etc made prior to One.

Are these observations nitpicky? Probably, but I'm a little disappointed in the "marketing" of this product to the public because this is NOT the ENTIRE CONCERT FROM JUNE 6th as the DVD states (MW, ONE, PEOPLE GET READY, SECOND PART OF DESIRE) were omitted from the DVD, in addition to more than a few occurences of clever editing that actually contains crowd and band performance from 6/5 as I pointed out above. To the average fan who wasn't their and who doesn't have the bootleg they probably won't know the difference. But to those of us who were there (and possibly more as a matter of principle to me) I'm disappointed this is being portrayed as a "complete" concert from "6/6" when in fact it is neither.

Truth in labeling re: the DVD...I think in this case it could be a hung jury but I believe AT BEST the packaging and marketing is somewhat misleading...but does anyone besides me really care?

Other than that...the DVD is da bomb and sounds simply smashing on my home theater system!

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Also "Kite" appears to have some 6/5 edited in as well...if you recall, om 6/6 Bono missed the "summer i can taste the salt..." line before Edge's solo, and sang it in the tag at the end instead of the normal "Last of the rock stars..." tag. On DVD the 6/6 ending is there, but Bono doesn't miss the line during the song, so they must have edited in some of the 6/5 performance of the song.
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That's it!! I'm sending the DVD back! An outrage!!
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Well as for STREETS it is the 6/6 version. If you put in disc 2 and watch the alternative view from the crowd, it shows the whole NBA thing. I find your claims very hard to believe that the crowd shots were from another night because on the DVD "making the concert" section, they talk about both nights and how the first night was FLAT and the crowd was much better on the second night. I mean you have to be right if you were there, so Im not saying your wrong. I suggest you watch the alternitive angles from the concert and you will see that a lot was edited, like WALK ON, at the begining of the song bono says "walk on" but in the real concert as shown on DVD 2 from the crowds perspective he says "for ang sui kie" or what ever his name is.
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I don't know, I have to agree on the editing crap. I'm thankful for the DVD, and there are great performances and everything, I just wish they had made it a one night, one concert thing. I understand that there were certain circumstances that screwed things, but dang...It does just seem kind of misleading.
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Good anaylsis Like Someone to Blame.

One question: If the performance of Gone was in fact from 6/6 with the end part edited in, then wouldn't Edge's shirt number be different(I am assuming it is the same as I don't remember.) Unless they wore the same clothes.

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Unless they wore the same clothes.
They wore the same clothes-I believe for all 4 shows-due to the filming for the DVD.

I just think it's great to have the DVD-no matter how they edited it.

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Vox626: You are correct about STREETS from the alternate angle being from 6/6. However, I still question whether or not on Disc 1 if it is the ENTIRE 6/6 performance. I believe some heavy editing was done around the whole NBA scene and that more than likely, in order to crop that NBA scene out from the official "concert", shots from the 6/5 STREETS performance were pasted in.

Yes, while the DVD acknowledges that the crowd was "FLAT" on 6/5, I was indeed there and believe me, I'm in some of the Elevation shots AND UTEOTW and I was nowhere NEAR the heart on 6/6! Also, the dead giveaway that 6/5 crowd shots was used for some of the songs, but especially Elevation, is the prominence of the two guys I hung out with in the GA line all day. I don't have the exact time elapsed, but shortly after the DVD goes to color, look for a guy in a gray T-shirt, with a reddish-brown foo manchu and reddish brown hair pumping his fist in the air. He only had tickets for 6/5 and (I have an EXCELLENT memory...especially when it comes to people and faces) that is the EXACT shirt he wore in line all day! His buddy is next to him on his right (our left if viewing) and his buddy is wearing the EXACT clothes he wore in line all day on 6/5 as well...so it's either the biggest coincidence in the world or, as I suspect, shots of 6/5 are littered throughout the DVD...lending credence to the fact that the marketing and packaging of the DVD is somewhat misleading.

Karl: Yes, the band wore the EXACT same clothes both nights...probably so they could do the fancy editing we are discussing here!!!

Look, the DVD is great. I just wish it wasn't so heavily edited and was truly of one night and the COMPLETE show!!! I'm perplexed as to why they wouldn't have put on the DVD that the show was from both 6/5 and 6/6 since shots and some performances from 6/5 are used in the DVD. Oh well...just an observation.
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Wow! This is a very interesting thread; this is what makes being a U2 geek, excuse me--FAN, interesting. And I'm including myself in the geek crack, so don't get mad!! This reminds me of Wide Awake in America, with all the recording skullduggery going on. Keep this up. I don't have the DVD yet (hell, I don't even have a DVD player yet), but I like this sort of detective work.

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if you were there then it is indeed a big shame and a bit disapointing, I understand completly 100%. However, as some of you stated to the non Boston attendee it is simply stunning, whether it be from one night or from another U2 had fun in Boston and you all should be proud that at least you have a document that you were able to attend in person
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Today I watched the DVD carefully and also discovered that there are many shots from the 6/5 show. I was in the heart on 6/5 and have seen myself during Elevation, Beautiful Day, UTEOTW, the end of Gone, Kite, and I think I Will Follow and SBS. One way you can tell which night it is is by the color of the wristbands-- 6/5's were red, 6/6's were bright orange.

Overall, I'm pretty disappointed in the DVD. It's not even a concert- it's more a music video. It has audio from mostly 6/6 combined with camera shots from both nights. The DVD was manufactured and doesn't accurately capture a U2 show because you don't even know whether you're looking at footage from 6/5 or 6/6. That's crap. Why does the box claim it's 6/6 when it's not?

And, the camera angles change way too quickly. The new director guy sucks if you ask me. I could have directed a better show using 8 cameras and actually filming band members for more than .75 seconds at a time. I also would have used only one night's footage.
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I'm pissed off about the diditng, there is no reason for it and I wold prefer the full show w/ One, MW, People Get Ready (Awesome version) and without the additional tracks. But, I disagree, the camera is amazing! The director is very good and to whoever said they could do a better job, why aren't you in the business?

This DVD is awesome, could be better, but we get a quality product that we can enjoy. Please stop complaining, at least you got one or are going to. If you don't want one, I'll take an extra.
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Yup, you are right Hewson. I forgot about the "Kite" screw-up!

Ivan, not sure what you are talking about in your post, but I can ASSURE you that at the very least the crowd shots of the heart during Elevation is from 6/5, not 6/6! I wasn't in the heart on 6/6 and neither were the people in front of Bono who I hung out in the GA line all day on 6/5, unless some REALLY clever editing took place!!!
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This leads me to a possible conclusion: That the actual concert footage was culled from 6/6 but that the director used the 6/5 crowd footage of Elevation POSSIBLY because of the now infamous Controversy in the Heart on 6/6...you know, where a number of fans staged a "sit in" to protest the heart selection process that night. Anyways...without question most if not all of Elevation (or the crowd itself) is from 6/5...not 6/6 as the DVD alleges.
I think that this is true, however in one overhead shot during Elevation I believe I see people in the heart sitting down. I think it is unfortunate that so many edits took place in the DVD, I would much rather have a complete show.

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The more I watch it, the more inconsistencies with the alleged 6/6 date I pick up! My newest observation:

* THE FLY. Those in attendence both nights will remember that on 6/5 Bono did his "fly" imitation at the end of the song, i.e. pasting himself to the back of the videowall etc which gives the crowd the visual impression of, well, a fly on the wall! During the 6/6 show, and I DISTINCTLY remember this because I was in the GC section this occurred directly in front of, FleetCenter Security came onto the GA floor and cleared a path for Bono to "exit" the arena at the end of the song, i.e. Bono jumping down from the tip of the heart and "sprinting" through the crowd.

In fact, the DVD shows Bono jumping down off the tip at the end of The Fly, (which indicates 6/6) but the NEXT shot of Bono is of him sprinting UP THE HEART and PASTING HIMSELF TO THE BACK OF THE VIDEOWALL! (which happened on 6/5)! So, once again we have another example of 6/5 being conveniently edited into a 6/6 performance.

Another interesting note. When one watches the "Making of Elevation" snippet on the DVD, the narrorator comments on how "flat" the 6/5 crowd was and how there were too many lights and cameras. He then goes on to mention that for the 6/6 show, they got rid of the extra lighting from 6/5 and some of the cameras as well. Why is this interesting? Because he then states that due to these "changes" it would be impossible to use ANY of the 6/5 footage!!! It was 6/6 or nothing! Yet, as I and others here have pointed out, there is quite a bit of the 6/5 footage used in the DVD! I'm not sure who they think they are fooling and why they appear to be so emphatic that the DVD is exclusively from 6/6, but it is interesting to me none the less.

As for comments about the DVD feeling like a music video...I generally agree with that statement, especially the more I watch it. I don't think Hammish Hamilton did a very good job directing this at all. I think it shows, as he states in the DVD, that he directs on "feel". I don't think Hammish was "feeling" it for these shows. It is evident to me he was flying by the seat of his pants and well, he blew it for the most part. I hate the splicing of 6/5 footage with 6/6 footage to no end and I despise some of the obvious edits that took place. For instance, once such part I abhor is the transition from UTEOTW to Stuck. In the DVD you can clearly see that Bono is near the very tip of the heart at the end of UTEOTW, yet he magically appears with tambourine in hand on the main stage just a few quick milliseconds after the last note of UTEOTW. My mother-in-law (not a U2 fan and didn't go to the concert) picked up on this immediately, saying "wow, he must run REAL FAST". A very awkward moment and amateur editing in my opinion. I could go on...there are many other instances like the one I just mentioned but I'll be nice and spare everyone the details.

Suffice it to say, of ALL the concert videos U2 has released, I think this one is the worst yet!!! Go ahead, flame me...I can take it. But seriously, both the Popmart and Zoo TV home videos are magnificent! But, as Willie Williams says in the DVD, those tours were "...made for TV", so I won't make an apples to oranges comparison with this DVD to those video releases. So for comparisons sake I believe the closest thing to this tour in terms of astetics and "feel" is the JT tour, for which we have Rattle and Hum. And I'll tell that in my opinion Phil Joanu did a much better job with shooting the bands performance than Hammish Hamilton. In fact, R & H "feels" more like a true concert than the Elevation DVD, due to superior directing in my opinion. And as for Red Rocks...well that is just a true classic and incomparable to anything else U2 has put on video to date.

So, while I think this DVD fails to capture this amazing tours spirit, emotion, and brilliant band performances, it nevertheless is worth having. While possibly the worst live video U2 has released (NO FAULT OF THEIRS, MIND YOU) their are some nice moments in there. The DVD just suffers from bad direction and horrible back room editing. It would have been much better to have just let the cameras roll and to have released the WHOLE show, not parts of it. This DVD suffers from TOO MUCH DIRECTION and not enough spontaneity.

Maybe the band realized this early on in the editing process...which may explain reports that the Slane shows were taped as well as shows from the third leg...namely NY and Providence. Could there be ANOTHER DVD or home video of this tour in the works??? I know I certainly would welcome it.



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Maybe the band realized this early on in the editing process...which may explain reports that the Slane shows were taped as well as shows from the third leg...namely NY and Providence. Could there be ANOTHER DVD or home video of this tour in the works??? I know I certainly would welcome it.


Which night from Providence was taped?
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The crowd shots are definately from both nites. I was in front on Bono on 6/6 and when you see the crowd sometimes you see me and my friend and sometimes you see 2 other girls! I haven't gotten to watch the whole thing so I haven't been able to figure out which song is which but the crowd is mixed up. Thats cool though - cause more people get to see themselves on the DVD!

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I saw cameras at both Providence shows, but they were more prominent on 10/31. A couple of the "big" TV network type cameras and a couple of smaller, hand-held types. One in particular was "shaddowing" Bono all night.

I'm not saying they were taping for another home video release, but taping WAS occuring for some particular reason. I've heard that Bono likes to tape himself to "critique" his performances...so that may explain it. But one cannot ignore the fact that the band feels they have been playing some extraordinary shows on this third leg...so I would say it IS within the REALM of possibility that another DVD of Elevation could be released if not now...for a future date well down the road perhaps? We'll see...
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The more I watch it, the more inconsistencies with the alleged 6/6 date I pick up! My newest observation:

* THE FLY. Those in attendence both nights will remember that on 6/5 Bono did his "fly" imitation at the end of the song, i.e. pasting himself to the back of the videowall etc which gives the crowd the visual impression of, well, a fly on the wall! During the 6/6 show, and I DISTINCTLY remember this because I was in the GC section this occurred directly in front of, FleetCenter Security came onto the GA floor and cleared a path for Bono to "exit" the arena at the end of the song, i.e. Bono jumping down from the tip of the heart and "sprinting" through the crowd.

In fact, the DVD shows Bono jumping down off the tip at the end of The Fly, (which indicates 6/6) but the NEXT shot of Bono is of him sprinting UP THE HEART and PASTING HIMSELF TO THE BACK OF THE VIDEOWALL! (which happened on 6/5)! So, once again we have another example of 6/5 being conveniently edited into a 6/6 performance.

Another interesting note. When one watches the "Making of Elevation" snippet on the DVD, the narrorator comments on how "flat" the 6/5 crowd was and how there were too many lights and cameras. He then goes on to mention that for the 6/6 show, they got rid of the extra lighting from 6/5 and some of the cameras as well. Why is this interesting? Because he then states that due to these "changes" it would be impossible to use ANY of the 6/5 footage!!! It was 6/6 or nothing! Yet, as I and others here have pointed out, there is quite a bit of the 6/5 footage used in the DVD! I'm not sure who they think they are fooling and why they appear to be so emphatic that the DVD is exclusively from 6/6, but it is interesting to me none the less.

As for comments about the DVD feeling like a music video...I generally agree with that statement, especially the more I watch it. I don't think Hammish Hamilton did a very good job directing this at all. I think it shows, as he states in the DVD, that he directs on "feel". I don't think Hammish was "feeling" it for these shows. It is evident to me he was flying by the seat of his pants and well, he blew it for the most part. I hate the splicing of 6/5 footage with 6/6 footage to no end and I despise some of the obvious edits that took place. For instance, once such part I abhor is the transition from UTEOTW to Stuck. In the DVD you can clearly see that Bono is near the very tip of the heart at the end of UTEOTW, yet he magically appears with tambourine in hand on the main stage just a few quick milliseconds after the last note of UTEOTW. My mother-in-law (not a U2 fan and didn't go to the concert) picked up on this immediately, saying "wow, he must run REAL FAST". A very awkward moment and amateur editing in my opinion. I could go on...there are many other instances like the one I just mentioned but I'll be nice and spare everyone the details.

Suffice it to say, of ALL the concert videos U2 has released, I think this one is the worst yet!!! Go ahead, flame me...I can take it. But seriously, both the Popmart and Zoo TV home videos are magnificent! But, as Willie Williams says in the DVD, those tours were "...made for TV", so I won't make an apples to oranges comparison with this DVD to those video releases. So for comparisons sake I believe the closest thing to this tour in terms of astetics and "feel" is the JT tour, for which we have Rattle and Hum. And I'll tell that in my opinion Phil Joanu did a much better job with shooting the bands performance than Hammish Hamilton. In fact, R & H "feels" more like a true concert than the Elevation DVD, due to superior directing in my opinion. And as for Red Rocks...well that is just a true classic and incomparable to anything else U2 has put on video to date.

So, while I think this DVD fails to capture this amazing tours spirit, emotion, and brilliant band performances, it nevertheless is worth having. While possibly the worst live video U2 has released (NO FAULT OF THEIRS, MIND YOU) their are some nice moments in there. The DVD just suffers from bad direction and horrible back room editing. It would have been much better to have just let the cameras roll and to have released the WHOLE show, not parts of it. This DVD suffers from TOO MUCH DIRECTION and not enough spontaneity.

Maybe the band realized this early on in the editing process...which may explain reports that the Slane shows were taped as well as shows from the third leg...namely NY and Providence. Could there be ANOTHER DVD or home video of this tour in the works??? I know I certainly would welcome it.
I totaly agree. Both the Zoo and Pop videos were much better at conveying the "you're actually there" feeling. Not to mention they included the full shows! (Except TTTYAATW in Sydney). They point out that Hammish Hamilton was used because of the way he shot them at the Brits. I saw that show and the highlight was definately "One". I CANNOT believe that song was left off the DVD.

I am happy we have a good DVD. But too bad its not a great DVD. I just hope its sooner and not later that they give us the earlier shows on DVD, and maybe, just maybe - SLANE!

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While possibly the worst live video U2 has released (NO FAULT OF THEIRS, MIND YOU) their are some nice moments in there.
Why do you say the band is not at fault here? I think a band as powerful as they are has final say over product that is released with their sanction. If the DVD has U2's name on it, you can bet they had quite a bit of input as to the content of that product. They may indeed be the ones to blame.

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