U2's Musical Experimentation Discussion! - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Your Blue Room > Everything You Know Is Wrong > Everything You Know Is Wrong Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-16-2005, 03:14 PM   #16
Blue Crack Addict
 
Irishteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 29,624
Local Time: 03:14 PM
All U2 albums are different, and are all brillant, people say ATYCLB is mainstream, look at whats mainstream Britiny Spears, Eminem etc. maybe in the 80's U2 would be mainstream but look at todays mainstream and tell me who U2 sound like, if U2 are mainstream, then shouldn't people who like Pop and Rap(Which is mainstream) like U2, wait they hate U2. Can I name one person who is young and doesn't normally listen to rock music, like Vertigo, no. And how many young people like rock, very few. So the idea of U2 trying to capture the youth is a lie. I can only think of 3 people my age, I know who like any of U2's three singles, 2 like Vertigo, 2 like Sometimes, and 1 City(Same guy likes everyone of them. When U2 sellout we will hear them do a duet with a rapper.
__________________

__________________
Irishteen is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 04:02 PM   #17
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
MacPhistoPT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 3,893
Local Time: 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irishteen
All U2 albums are different, and are all brillant, people say ATYCLB is mainstream, look at whats mainstream Britiny Spears, Eminem etc. maybe in the 80's U2 would be mainstream but look at todays mainstream and tell me who U2 sound like, if U2 are mainstream, then shouldn't people who like Pop and Rap(Which is mainstream) like U2, wait they hate U2. Can I name one person who is young and doesn't normally listen to rock music, like Vertigo, no. And how many young people like rock, very few. So the idea of U2 trying to capture the youth is a lie. I can only think of 3 people my age, I know who like any of U2's three singles, 2 like Vertigo, 2 like Sometimes, and 1 City(Same guy likes everyone of them. When U2 sellout we will hear them do a duet with a rapper.
Off-topic: Looks like only me and my 3 best friends are different. We heard U2, Pearl Jam, Metallica, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, sometimes even Beatles, Floyd, Queen...

I'm the only "hardcore" U2 fan that has all the albums and looks for bootlegs and rare stuff, but they all like them.
__________________

__________________
MacPhistoPT is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 04:41 PM   #18
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Zoots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: the great beyond
Posts: 36,802
Local Time: 04:14 PM
The Edge fucking around with his guitar to produce new sounds that no one has ever heard before... that's experimentation! Venturing into unchartered territory (not only for them but for anyone) like they did in the 90s to the extent that they almost became a cult band of sorts... that's experimentation! Trying to go where your innermost creative instincts take you without giving a rat's ass about if the record will sell or whether everyone will like it... that's experimentation!

A little but of Philly soul inspiration in In A Little While is not experimentation! Creating a very summery Van Morrison-esque song is not really experimentation, more like a tribute. Trying to rework Pop so it'll sell well and everyone will like it most certainly isn't experimentation!


to the thread starter for trying to generate good discussion!
__________________
Zoots is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 04:49 PM   #19
Refugee
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,178
Local Time: 02:14 PM
Experimentation is a subjective term. I'd venture that In A Little While is experimental for U2, as they had not yet written a song like that before. I guess to some people the band's electronic-tinged 90's output is experimental, and I believe that for U2 it was experimental, but then again U2 weren't exactly pioneers in that realm. Many of those sounds hadn't yet reached mainstream ears, but that doesn't mean other people weren't already doing similar things.

It's kind of the same thing with the Beatles. They are often credited with "inventing" new recording techniques, such as backwards recording, but the reality is that avant garde composers had already done those things years prior. It was just that The Beatles were the first to bring thoses sounds to the masses, so they get the credit. It's the same with U2.

I mean, hats off to U2 and The Beatles for searching for new sounds, but they don't deserve all of ther credit.
__________________
starvinmarvin is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 05:20 PM   #20
War Child
 
xtihn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: So Cal
Posts: 760
Local Time: 06:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irishteen
...people say ATYCLB is mainstream, look at whats mainstream Britiny Spears, Eminem etc. maybe in the 80's U2 would be mainstream but look at todays mainstream and tell me who U2 sound like, if U2 are mainstream...
i don't think britney sounds like eminem, or vice versa. mainstream doesn't necessarily have a particular "sound"...to me it means something is popular or well known, whether for its merit or for its successful marketing/publicity. of course, the word mainstream has certain connotations of being "listener-friendly".

compare Pop vs. ATYCLB...ATYCLB is more "listener-friendly" because most of the songs' structure is conventional. Beautiful Day, Elevation, Stuck...were all successful radio hits. that's pretty mainstream.

mainstream doesn't necessarily mean evil or crappy (although it is inclusive). mainstream isn't just pop or rap like britney and eminem.

but now i'm afraid i've gotten a bit off topic, haven't i?
__________________
xtihn is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 10:50 PM   #21
Refugee
 
innocent_eyes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,211
Local Time: 09:14 AM
Wow!! Glad people apprecaite the thread...my pleasure!

Great discussion, it is interesting how many people can interpret experimentation.

Hopefully this discussion is fleshing out the reasons that most 90s fans dislike the 00s and hopefull it is giving these fans a new way to interpret the 00s.

I'm thinking that because they hadn't written any really formal tunes that they have been experimenting with infusing their own ideas into traditional rock, rather than being more of an alternative or euro- dance influenced group like they were in the 90s and a punk/new wave band of the early 80s and Arena rockers in the late 80s.

I really enjoy the 00s U2 sound, and i'm also a big fan of the 90s sound....and the 80s sound. I can appreciate what each era brings to the table. I think the possibility of writing more formal, really great rock tunes excites the band, that seems like what was missing from their career before the 00s.

Bono said during the recording of HTDAAB that they were interested in making rock and roll in the primary colours, guitar, drums, bass, voice, and were ecxited by the idea of writing great 45s, like the beatles, the stones, etc..

I think U2 is VERY capable of making new experimental sounds and structures, look at Love and peace, fast cars, and Mercy, for example!
__________________
innocent_eyes is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 10:59 PM   #22
Refugee
 
thrillme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: <---over that'a way
Posts: 1,947
Local Time: 06:14 AM
"Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out of" is "listener-friendly?" I'm probably one of the few people in a while to use the full title, for one. What U2 song from before 2000 sounds like this?

"All That You Can't Leave Behind"

"How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb"

U2's past 2 albums have the longest titles of any of their albums, longer than most bands/artists too.

With titles like that, you're asking for people to listen closer.

"A Man and a Woman", is not like most "love" songs on the radio, most U2 "love" song are not.

Name 1 U2 love song that is straightforward. U2 has a shortage of wedding songs, ye know what I mean.

I have read that Adam wanted to have a more pure bass sound, on the last 2 albums as compared to before.

"Mainstream" what is mainstream. There is no common ground, radio formats are pretty structured, what's hot and what's not changes all the time.

U2 are popular because they are one of bands who've been out there, for more than a 4 or 5 years and still have a visible presence. You can fly under the radar if you want, but if you want people to hear your music, then you can't hide under a rock.

Any band that tours, wants their music to be heard.

You make a beautiful painting, sure part of you did it for yourself, for your own enjoyment, but isn't there also another part that wants others to see what you did?

If the Beatles had continued, (and Lennon wasn't killed), they'd probably still be attracting the masses, because a legacy like that, follows you.

There might be people who became fans of the Beatles or got into them because of that legacy. Regardless of the fact they disbanded many years ago.

How does a 14 year old get into the Beatles?, an older person possibly, introduces them to their music, or they hear their songs somewhere, or because the Beatles are considered legends and they'll find out about them eventually.

U2 gets 14 year old fans but U2 hasn't disbanded, they still record and tour, 25 years after their debut album. And they might have older fans who get the younger ones into them, or they get into U2 on their own by hearing a song.

The first U2 song I really liked, was "hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me," I was 13 when that song came out. Looking back, it was the guitar, the music that really hooked me, but I didn't go past liking the song to actually getting "in" to U2 till a few years later.

U2's the first band I got into, before that, I was strictly a song by song person.
__________________
thrillme is offline  
Old 08-16-2005, 11:17 PM   #23
Refugee
 
thrillme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: <---over that'a way
Posts: 1,947
Local Time: 06:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by innocent_eyes


I think U2 is VERY capable of making new experimental sounds and structures, look at Love and peace, fast cars, and Mercy, for example!
It's funny, (weird, not really ha-ha), U2 did in fact record, Mercy, Fast Cars, the songs that are on the digi-box set some rave about, em, U2 made those songs.

So it only counts as a U2 song if it shows up on an album?

Summer Rain is a U2 song, Levitate, Xanax and Wine, U2 songs.

U2 are very aware of the digital music world, (maybe they gave U2 fans the benefit of the doubt), the fans are smart, they can make their own albums with the box-set.

People can download one song from a band, or the entire album, IPODs let you randomly listen to songs.

Some U2 songs made it to the "official" album and some didn't, but if you want to make your own album, go ahead, ye know.
__________________
thrillme is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 03:06 AM   #24
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: slovenija
Posts: 20,951
Local Time: 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zootlesque
The Edge fucking around with his guitar to produce new sounds that no one has ever heard before... that's experimentation! Venturing into unchartered territory (not only for them but for anyone) like they did in the 90s to the extent that they almost became a cult band of sorts... that's experimentation! Trying to go where your innermost creative instincts take you without giving a rat's ass about if the record will sell or whether everyone will like it... that's experimentation!

A little but of Philly soul inspiration in In A Little While is not experimentation! Creating a very summery Van Morrison-esque song is not really experimentation, more like a tribute. Trying to rework Pop so it'll sell well and everyone will like it most certainly isn't experimentation!


to the thread starter for trying to generate good discussion!
There is more to experimentation than just messing around with Edge's guitar.
POP is not that experimental as some people make it out to be - for the most part it's a straightforward rock album.

ATYCLB did feature new sounds for U2, whether it is your kind of experimentation or not. They never tried out pop music before. Beautiful day, Stuck, In a little while, Wild honey, even the ambiental Grace are all new ground for the band.

To a smaller extent, so did the Bomb. 60's type of rock with All because of you, the glam rock stomp of Love and peace or else, the punk-ish Vertigo. Continued research of pop genre with A man and a woman and Original of the species.
__________________
U2girl is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 04:15 AM   #25
Blue Crack Addict
 
liamcool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: deep in absolutely bullshit historical theory/trauma theory
Posts: 16,695
Local Time: 12:14 AM
Quote:
Achtung, Zooropa and Pop(not Pop, Zooropa) are not cohesive that much, but have more, much much much more guitar additions(distortions, delay, phaser...).
Distortion started in 88 with Desire at the latest, so Achtung didn't start the distortion.
Delay started in 79 with The Silver Lining (early 11 O'Clock Tick Tock) and A Day Without Me, so your statement of AB having the first use of delay is wrong. Also, pretty much EVERY U2 song until AB used delay. If that's what you mean is experimental (the lack of delay) then I apologise.
Oh, and phaser was debuted in 1982 with Treasure (Whatever Happened To Pete The Chop?). So all three of your examples are flawed in some way as AB was not the first album to use ANY of these effects.
__________________
liamcool is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 04:56 AM   #26
Blue Crack Addict
 
Irishteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 29,624
Local Time: 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by MacPhistoPT


Off-topic: Looks like only me and my 3 best friends are different. We heard U2, Pearl Jam, Metallica, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, sometimes even Beatles, Floyd, Queen...

I'm the only "hardcore" U2 fan that has all the albums and looks for bootlegs and rare stuff, but they all like them.
Well in Ireland, which should be where U2's fanbase is, out of 35 people, only one said he liked U2(Me).My history teacher was rambling on, like usual then he starts talking about the plane U2, then he asks, Does anyone like U2 the band, I was the only person who said yes, and was slaged about it for the rest of the year. I was locked in a small room almost everyday, and was told I would not be allowed out till I said U2 were the shitest band who ever lived, and say Rap music was the only good type of music. I was in there for sometimes up to a hour, by myself, trying to break down a firedoor, all over liking U2. People even try to burn my Vertigo tour t-shirt when i wear it, so to me U2 aren't that popular.
__________________
Irishteen is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 07:11 AM   #27
Refugee
 
innocent_eyes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,211
Local Time: 09:14 AM
WTF??

Thats messed up Irishteen!!!

I would think that u2 wouldn't have the hardest time of all in Ireland...

although, i can see how the Irish might resent them for their success and fame.

How old are you? Just wondering what age this happened at, 15-16 or 18-19???

And rap.........hahha, i can sample music and rhyme quicky too. Rap hasn't had a trace of real musical quality since the very early nineties....and even then I didn't like it, but what is out there currently, yech!
__________________
innocent_eyes is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 07:33 AM   #28
Blue Crack Addict
 
Irishteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 29,624
Local Time: 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by innocent_eyes
WTF??

Thats messed up Irishteen!!!

I would think that u2 wouldn't have the hardest time of all in Ireland...

although, i can see how the Irish might resent them for their success and fame.

How old are you? Just wondering what age this happened at, 15-16 or 18-19???

And rap.........hahha, i can sample music and rhyme quicky too. Rap hasn't had a trace of real musical quality since the very early nineties....and even then I didn't like it, but what is out there currently, yech!
Im 15, one of the youngest in my class, but I don't say i hate 50 Cent or Emnem, but they all hate U2 for no reason.
__________________
Irishteen is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 09:42 AM   #29
War Child
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 831
Local Time: 03:14 PM
They hate u2 because they can't understand or relate to it. I've had similar issues to you, though on nowhere near your scale thankfully, but 50 cent and eminem (To use your examples) spell out what they're trying 2 say. U2 leave some work to the listeniner which most people don't appreciate. Anyway its their loss, not imne or yours. Its the same reason a lot of people can't take Pink Floyd
__________________
Miricale_Drug is offline  
Old 08-17-2005, 10:10 AM   #30
ONE
love, blood, life
 
namkcuR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kettering, Ohio
Posts: 10,286
Local Time: 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Zootlesque
The Edge fucking around with his guitar to produce new sounds that no one has ever heard before... that's experimentation! Venturing into unchartered territory (not only for them but for anyone) like they did in the 90s to the extent that they almost became a cult band of sorts... that's experimentation! Trying to go where your innermost creative instincts take you without giving a rat's ass about if the record will sell or whether everyone will like it... that's experimentation!

A little but of Philly soul inspiration in In A Little While is not experimentation! Creating a very summery Van Morrison-esque song is not really experimentation, more like a tribute. Trying to rework Pop so it'll sell well and everyone will like it most certainly isn't experimentation!


to the thread starter for trying to generate good discussion!
Exactly
__________________

__________________
namkcuR is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com