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Old 12-14-2005, 07:50 AM   #1
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u2 are a victim of their tours

I was just thinking the other day about why u2 is not critically rated as one of the top two or three groups of all time. You always hear the beatles (fair enough) and the stones (can't stand them), but never u2. Why is this?? I think that critics will always judge a group more on its records rather than its tours. This imho is very unfair but it's also the reality unfortunately. The fact that u2 have devoted half their careers to touring obviously has not enabled them to make as many records as they should have based on the time they have been around, and we shouldn't underestimate the sheer energy that is drained from each tour. I personally think that u2 could easily have put out at least a couple more masterpices if they had not toured as much as they have. The Beatles however hardly toured and therefore were allowed to make a lot more records. Most discussions on groups are usually dominated by which band has the better records, and live performances hardly ever come into the equation. I was just wondering what your opinions are on this and whether or not there is any truth to my theory.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:07 AM   #2
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U2 are rich men because of their tours, and their place in history is secure.
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U2 are best when they're playing Live - no question whatsoever IMHO.

(And to be honest - Fourteen albums isn't bad going)
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U2 are rich men because of their tours, and their place in history is secure.
there really isn't much difference between 80 million and 200 million dollars in terms of what you're likely to do with it. they would have been rich enough even without touring. I think they have earned enough to last them countless lifetimes and would rather be critically acclaimed.
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They are critically acclaimed.
Only, they haven't split up yet (or have become a parody of themselves) so many are still reserved with their acclaim. You don't want them to become too comfortable and not hungry anymore for for better material.
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U2 are best when they're playing Live - no question whatsoever IMHO.

(And to be honest - Fourteen albums isn't bad going)
I don't think that they are necessarily at their best live. I think that because they are that good live , people tend to underrate their albums. AB and JT are close to perfection for me and not many of the songs from those two records have been improved on in concert. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have toured as much , but am just pointing out that they would possibly be rated more highly ( by critics and general music fans, not u2 fans) if they had produced more records even at the expense of a couple of tours.
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Re: u2 are a victim of their tours

No offense. Don't buy a word.
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Its just because the Beatles and the Stones were the first ones to hit, and big. Thats all. Dont fear
They were the first on people's minds, if U2 were from the 60's, everyone would be talking about 'U2 and The Beatles'
So they are like the fathers, and we humans always tend to inmortalize things with time; we are reacious to accept that things could be better in these moment
U2 are certainly the best band ever, no doubt about it
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I think live is where they really show how good their albums are, IMO.

How many songs on an album have you maybe, overlooked, didn't care for, but when heard live, went back and gave that song a second chance?

I can barely go back to the album version of "Love and Peace or Else" after hearing it live.

It's one thing to record an album, you can fix things, edit, redo a bad take, but live, no room to do that.

U2 even performed a Beatles song live, that even the Beatles didn't do live.

There's maybe 10 or so songs off U2's 11 studio albums, that haven't been played live before. Not to mention b-sides they've done live like "Spanish Eyes" and "A Celebration."

Live is where they live.
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Oh, yeah, U2 is just sooooo underrated critically.

For the majority of their career, critics have praised U2 to the skies - both their albums AND their tours.

So what if they aren't in the Top 3 or Top 5 or whatever. They are always going to get mentioned when the Best Bands of All Time are discussed. And 10 or 20 years from now they just might be even more lauded than they are now.
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AB and JT are close to perfection for me and not many of the songs from those two records have been improved on in concert.
I respectfully disagree.
Songs that were clearly improved upon live from those 2 albums:
Joshua Tree: Streets, Bullet, Exit, In God's Country, One Tree Hill
Achtung Baby: UTEOTW, The Fly, Zoo Station, Mysterious Ways, Love is Blindness
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Re: u2 are a victim of their tours

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I was just thinking the other day about why u2 is not critically rated as one of the top two or three groups of all time.
Say what? Top 5 isn't good enough for ya?
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AB and JT are close to perfection for me and not many of the songs from those two records have been improved on in concert.
As Hewson pointed out, songs like Streets, UTEOTW, Fly and Mysterious Ways, while all brilliant on the album, are even better when played live!
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As Hewson pointed out, songs like Streets, UTEOTW, Fly and Mysterious Ways, while all brilliant on the album, are even better when played live!
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I respectfully disagree.
Songs that were clearly improved upon live from those 2 albums:
Joshua Tree: Streets, Bullet, Exit, In God's Country, One Tree Hill
Achtung Baby: UTEOTW, The Fly, Zoo Station, Mysterious Ways, Love is Blindness
fair enough, but also remember that they have had years to perfect these songs and only had a few months to write and record these on the albums. Don't agree with some of the songs on your list such as streets, I think the effects of the stage and the crowd singing along to it makes it feel that much better live, but Bono's voice was so much more powerful on the album and the album version seems more emotional to me.
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