Canadiens1131
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Avast, Van Diemen's Land over Beautiful Day, all day, anyday!!!!!!!
lazarus said:
Well, not to condescend because you're younger, but perhaps not being around at the time lessens the impact of AB. If you knew U2 beforehand, it was quite a shock.
Also, the music world was so lame in 1991, what U2 did on that album was really revolutionary, blending the Eastern European industrial aesthetic to pop music, and on top of it using hip hop elements on several tracks. Now it might sound old hat.
Even so, I don't understand how one could rate the "filler" of albums like The Unforgettable Fire over the lesser-played tracks on AB.
And don't just take Bono's word for it. I'm pretty sure Adam was quoted as saying that before the 90's they were just playing around. I'm not trying to downgrade The Joshua Tree; I respect those who prefer it to AB. But the idea that AB isn't even in their Top 4 albums is laughable to me. I doubt there's many Interference members who don't read your ranking and roll their eyes.
Everyone has their own opinion...but when you go against the overwhelming critical, commercial, and fan-based consensus you're just WRONG.
laz
beli said:
I disagree. There is no right or wrong with artistic taste. People like what they like. Any concensus, perceived or actual, should not have a bearing on anyones musical tastes.
This goes back to the Dead Poets Society argument mentioned earlier in the thread by fan by the name of "the tourist".
lazarus said:Well, not to condescend because you're younger, but perhaps not being around at the time lessens the impact of AB. If you knew U2 beforehand, it was quite a shock.
Even so, I don't understand how one could rate the "filler" of albums like The Unforgettable Fire over the lesser-played tracks on AB.
Axver said:
I find it interesting that you used that argument, as I explicitly stated that I was born in 1987 [eighteen today, actually] to avoid accusations of being "some old fart who hates the fact U2 ever changed from the eighties." There seems to be a stereotype that older fans prefer the eighties while newer fans prefer the nineties, and I was hoping to counter that, but it seems that backfired on me.
Axver said:
Because the ten tracks on UF flow together with an incredible cohesion that Achtung Baby simply does not have. EBTTRT --> One --> UTEOTW has to be one of the most dreadful tracklistings on a U2 album as those songs do not belong together. The Achtung Baby album simply isn't interwoven like UF is. I'll take the flow of The Unforgettable Fire --> Promenade --> 4th Of July --> Bad over anything on AB any day.
Axver said:
I find it interesting that you used that argument, as I explicitly stated that I was born in 1987 [eighteen today, actually] to avoid accusations of being "some old fart who hates the fact U2 ever changed from the eighties." There seems to be a stereotype that older fans prefer the eighties while newer fans prefer the nineties, and I was hoping to counter that, but it seems that backfired on me. In any case, I grew up in a family of U2 fans. I'm well aware of how dramatic the change from RAH to AB was.
Because the ten tracks on UF flow together with an incredible cohesion that Achtung Baby simply does not have. EBTTRT --> One --> UTEOTW has to be one of the most dreadful tracklistings on a U2 album as those songs do not belong together. The Achtung Baby album simply isn't interwoven like UF is. I'll take the flow of The Unforgettable Fire --> Promenade --> 4th Of July --> Bad over anything on AB any day.
Bono and Adam can say whatever they want about how they believe Achtung is their greatest album. That doesn't change my opinion. And that's what it comes down to - subjective opinion. In my eyes, Achtung Baby is a good album with some great tracks, and Interferencers can roll their eyes out of their skulls at my rankings if they dislike it that much. I'll quite happily stick with my eighties U2. I find that Spanish Eyes and Luminous Times are better than half of AB and they were b-sides.
Zootomic said:But to me that is one of the appeals of AB. It isn't smooth and comfortable. It careens from one emotion to another and back again just like life. The song order is jarring because it's meant to be that way.
LyricalDrug said:Rattle and Hum?!?!?!?
Even with Angel of Harlem?!! The happiest U2 song ever?!
Even with All I Want Is You?!
Even with When Loves Comes to Town?! B.B. motherfricking King with the Edge?!!
Even with Heartland?
And the song Bob Dylan(!!!) co-wrote, Love Rescue Me?!
What about God Part II? Or Van Diemen's Land? Or Desire?! Silver and Gold!! Hawkmoon 269!!!