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Old 06-21-2017, 07:51 AM   #76
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Yeah but surely for the I&E European dates in 2015 they could have done similar in some of those cities? Just because they could do 6-8 shows in one city doesnt mean they have to. Plus I'm not so sure the demand is really this strong in Australia. They have generally dropped out of people's consciousness here.

Also this conundrum about whether to extend the JT30 tour is their own iditoic fault. No sympathy. Its yet another means by which they have compromised their ability to release new music (something they once cared about). They should take the JT30 tour (in all its pathetic 21 song sub 2 hour glory) everywhere, release SOE some time next year and then call it quits.


Just when I was going to compliment you on a somewhat calm/non hyperbolic/ somewhat factual post, you had to go and make that edit.
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Old 06-21-2017, 07:57 AM   #78
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Just when I was going to compliment you on a somewhat calm/non hyperbolic/ somewhat factual post, you had to go and make that edit.
I tried.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:25 AM   #79
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So about those Australian stadium holds in December that are sooooo for the Joshua Tree Tour...

Ha, yep.

Though actually, looking more closely at that itinerary, the only two venues he's using that U2 would also use are Suncorp in Brisbane and Mt Smart in Auckland. Macca is playing an arena in Sydney and smaller stadiums in Perth and Melbourne, where U2 would almost certainly use Subiaco and Etihad respectively. Brisbane also has QSAC, which is where U2 played on Vertigo, so the only real problem here is Auckland - Ian could say much better than I can, but it's been a while since I've noticed a major act playing any of Auckland's other stadiums. Of course, there's still the Cake Tin down the other end of the island in Wellington...

(I should note the tip that I got regarding Perth - which I now don't think is accurate, but for the record - was specifically regarding Subiaco in November, not nib Stadium.)

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Yeah but surely for the I&E European dates in 2015 they could have done similar in some of those cities? Just because they could do 6-8 shows in one city doesnt mean they have to. Plus I'm not so sure the demand is really this strong in Australia. They have generally dropped out of people's consciousness here.
IE was just weird though, and U2's touring for bloody ages has grossly underplayed Europe. When they do come down here they do seem to try to mop up as much demand as possible, I guess because with Europe they know they'll be back soon while Australia is not as routine a destination. Look at Vertigo where they pushed on to a third date in Sydney, or 360 with the second nights in Perth or Brisbane. A "Europe" touring pattern would've never had those dates.

And I stand by those estimates. U2 are now a "destination" sort of artist; they've dropped off the radar for new shit but the second they announce a tour everybody will be all "yeah I fucking love Beautiful Day and One, and that Vertigo's a right tune mate, SUNDAY BLOODY SUUUUN-DAAAYYYY". A stadium tour will definitely be x2 for Sydney and Melbourne, and x8 arenas in those cities wouldn't equal that attendance. (Though maybe Sydney could be lowered to x6 since its arena is bigger than Rod Laver.)
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Um, we had this clip before the Kyro mix.
How does that change the fact that they went back in to tweak and rerecord songs with more of a "live" feel. Kygo I'm sure used the raw audio they had at the time, but then used electronic beats and elements in the song that weren't there in the bands own version.
It in no way changes the original audio that the band is going to use on the album.
Not sure what this comment means...
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I've been thinking about why u2 would choose to release two singles well in advance of an album, one as far as five months ahead, and I think it really boils down to maximizing their album sales number, and SOE's ultimate chart position.

In 2015 Billboard changed their metrics for the top 200 albums chart, to incorporate song streams. As it now stands, if a song is streamed 1500 times, that counts as 1 "album sale"

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For some artists, this had led to releasing bloated albums of 15 to 20 songs, not because this makes for a great record (booooo Drake, boooooo) but because, crudely, more songs means more streams, and most importantly - more revenue.

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I don't think u2 care about streaming revenue, but we know they care about relevance, and we know they equate relevance, in part, with having a number 1 album. So for them, releasing a song, and letting it rack up the stream count over several months can only help. Theyre building up the streaming numbers, so that ultimately when SOE is released, it's chart position will be boosted by all these extra streams.

Make sense? Too cynical?
I don't know if they are thinking about it in that way or not. But as i have said many times before, there are many marketing ploys they could use to boost single chart placement and album chart placement, but not sure they will employ those either.
The most obvious being that they could do the ol, get an album with ticket purchase thing and be guaranteed a number one album.
Its going to be very interesting this time around to see how the songs and album do, since SOI was completely taken out of any sales/streaming scenario.
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How does that change the fact that they went back in to tweak and rerecord songs with more of a "live" feel. Kygo I'm sure used the raw audio they had at the time, but then used electronic beats and elements in the song that weren't there in the bands own version.

It in no way changes the original audio that the band is going to use on the album.

Not sure what this comment means...


I misunderstood, I thought you were saying this clip was a result of them going back and rerecording that live feel.
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Though actually, looking more closely at that itinerary, the only two venues he's using that U2 would also use are Suncorp in Brisbane and Mt Smart in Auckland.
Yeah, this still doesn't rule out a November leg in Australia.

The only issue would be that people would have just spent a lot of money on McCartney tickets and it might dent sales for U2 a bit, especially since folks would need to buy those U2 tickets sooner.

On the other hand, now that I think about it, this might explain why a JT30 November leg hasn't been announced yet. There may have been contract-signing reasons that forced the promoters and venues to announce the McCartney gigs first, so U2 have to wait until his have gone on sale. First-signed first-sold or something like that.

On the other other hand, maybe McCartney was trying to decide whether to tour Australia or not, and 4 little birdies told him that U2 would not be touring Autralia, so he decided to jump at the opportunity.
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I misunderstood, I thought you were saying this clip was a result of them going back and rerecording that live feel.
ah gotcha. Yeah, i see where you got that. I dunno. One might guess that since that one was remixed and played to an audience, it's pretty set in stone. But who knows with them. thanks for the reply
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ah gotcha. Yeah, i see where you got that. I dunno. One might guess that since that one was remixed and played to an audience, it's pretty set in stone. But who knows with them. thanks for the reply
Unless.... When Kygo was playing it live he was recording it so his final remix could have a live feel

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Whenever this album comes out all I ask is that it's better than SOI
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I think even us fans that liked SOI would agree with that assessment there.
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Whenever this album comes out all I ask is that it's better than SOI
I love SOI, and I'm a little worried cause I would put TBT and Little Things somewhere in the middle of the pack compared to SOI songs.
I have high hopes for SOE, but I'm not sold that it will be miles better than SOI.
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