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Old 03-10-2005, 09:26 PM   #106
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what i find funny is how anyone ever takes jick seriously. like i did. wow was my face red.
I don't want to seem like an old stick in the mud, but although many of us know J's full of shit, I always worry about newer/younger fans reading his trolling B.S. and taking it seriously.

I certainly don't want someone listening to POP for the first time with his poison in their minds beforehand, for example. Or thinking Adam is a "drugged out loser", as J has called him in the poast. So I attempt to dispute all his out-of-context quotes and illogical conclusions for that very reason.

But yeah, it's so sad it's funny.


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Old 03-10-2005, 09:47 PM   #108
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I don't want to seem like an old stick in the mud, but although many of us know J's full of shit, I always worry about newer/younger fans reading his trolling B.S. and taking it seriously.

I certainly don't want someone listening to POP for the first time with his poison in their minds beforehand, for example. Or thinking Adam is a "drugged out loser", as J has called him in the poast. So I attempt to dispute all his out-of-context quotes and illogical conclusions for that very reason.

But yeah, it's so sad it's funny.


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ATYCLB after the first Grammy awards moved up to #11. But the Grammy awards they won that night were the biggest ones one can win at the Grammy's for a song, Record of The Year and Song of the Year. This year, Vertigo was not up for those awards, but in categories that got much less spotlight.
So there is a 9 spot differential in positions to the climb achieved by ATYCLB due to the Grammy push. I would bet that there is even more disparity with the sales figures considering the market now is smaller than before. Also, how did ATYCLB do after its first post-Grammy week? Did it dramatically drop 21 places like HTDAAB did from #20 to #41? Or did it maintain steady sales the second week?

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Next year, I can see the band winning album of the year for the first time since 1987/1988, along with a big sweep of the awards, perhaps as many as 8 Grammy's. This will have a huge and probably larger impact on sales than the Grammy shows for ATYCLB.
You can never be sure. ATYCLB was perhaps the only album in rock history to have four different songs win Grammies - including two records of the year. Yet, it did not even win album of the year. So right now, it is just your prediction to see the band win album of the year.

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Well, the third leg of POPMART in North America was only 17 shows, mainly in smaller markets. The POP album at that point had only sold 1.2 million copies in the USA. Despite these facts, 575,742 people attended these 17 shows! The first leg of POPMART had 29 shows and 14 "sellouts", the third leg had 17 shows and 5 "sellouts". There were a few shows on both the first Elevation leg and the third Elevation leg that did not completely sellout in small markets and usually seats that were behind the stage being the tickets that remained unsold.
12 of 17 Popmart shows for the third leg, or 70% of the shows were not filled to capacity. And a number of them I am certain, were to half-empty stadiums. Traditionally, U2 don't play major markets like Chicago or Boston on their third legs, so it is a safe assumption that they won't hit those dates in this third leg either.

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By the way, BOMB came in at #48 this week with 23,000+ sales in the USA!
....as compared to ATYCLB week 15 which was #37 with 41,000. So right now, in terms of raw figures - the pace of HTDAAB has dropped considerable to almost 50% of ATYCLB's pace. In the end, it might be a tall order for HTDAAB to match ATYCLB's sales. By the way, just for a point of clarification, did ATYCLB's week 15 sales occur before or after the Grammy awards?

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POP still sold 5.5 million copies in 1997 and was one of the 20 biggest selling albums of the year worldwide. It was not the standard 10 million + one had become accustomed from U2, but it was definitely not an album that was rejected or a flop either.
No U2 album is every "rejected." But one of the things that have made U2 stay relevant for so long is that they never stoop to lower standards and make themselves content with an album not being a flop in relation to others. U2 only measure their success based on their own previous success. So to their mind, POP was a flop for their standards -- and all their interviews near the release of ATYCLB had them either making confessions about POP or stressing the importance of ATYCLB selling more than POP.

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Its important to remember that the push for "Sometimes" has just started. The HALL OF FAME is coming up this Monday and every artist that appears on there normally gets a huge boosts and U2 will be the spotlight of the show.
I am aware of the Hall of Fame push. But those kinds of pushes happen mostly the an artist's back catalogue or greatest hits release. U2 are a very unique band, to still be a marketable force with a current album and be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Nevertheless, I don't see how a Hall of Fame push can be greater than the Grammy push which has a wider audience. Only the rock fans will tune in to that event. So if the Grammies made the album climb to #20, I don't think the Hall of Fame will spark a bigger comeback.

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This album is only in its 15th week and has already sold over 2.5 million copies to consumer and is certified at triple platinum. In this market, this is very, very impressive. The odds are still very good that this album will sell over 4 million copies in the USA by the summer of 2006, if not sooner.
I have never been shy about my good impression of U2's huge intitial sales weels. What is alarming is the fact that the chart positions and sales figures have dried up so soon. I was hoping for a better performance than this.

If U2 releases an album in time for the third leg, they should have new songs to play live and the new album show debut in the top 5 and stay about 3 weeks in the top 10. That is about all they need to keep the interest level high and keep them always in the public's eye.

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Old 03-10-2005, 10:01 PM   #110
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I certainly don't want someone listening to POP for the first time with his poison in their minds beforehand, for example. Or thinking Adam is a "drugged out loser", as J has called him in the poast. So I attempt to dispute all his out-of-context quotes and illogical conclusions for that very reason.
I never use the term "loser" referring to people so this is clearly a fabrication on your part. Loser is only in my vocabulary when I refer to chart losers and gainers. "Drugged out" isn't in my vocabulary either. This is clearly a fabrication on your part to taint my reputation. For drug dependent persons, I prefer to use the word "junkie" and have never ever used the phrase which you quote "drugged out loser." Either you have mistaken me for someone else or you are out to damage my good reputation.


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My threads never fail to provide great reading to all the U2 fanatics in this forum who like stimulating intellectual discussions. Others have to resort to sensationalized journalism, or tabloidish factual presentation, or melodramatic over-exagerrations just to draw discussions out of the intellectuals of this forum. I personally don't feel the need to resort to those tactics. I just pick a set of facts, present it as it is, draw the possible implications of the facts, then present it to Interference for intellectually stimulating discussion.

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I do not seek attention at all. As a matter of fact, I always make sure I present my facts carefully because I have observed that there are some members who actually seek my posts

Over the past two months, I have realized that every thread I start has always been taken with great interest by the readers of this forum. All of this just makes me more careful with what I say, more diligent in researching my facts, and more diplomatic to all.

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Nice to see someone who has been an avid follower of my threads. Let's run down how it has gone so far:

I exposed U2 for their shabby fan treatment with the presale fiasco.


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Either you have mistaken me for someone else or you are out to damage my good reputation.


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*whispers*Jick, I'll tell you a secret. You do not have a good reputation.

From making the worst ideas for setlist on this tour... calling band members names... yes, jick. You can thank Larry as long as you wish for his apology, but those "two words" in his apology are realy for you... your avatar... to finaly you certain opinion in this thread.
No jick, you do not have a good reputation...

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Well, the third leg of POPMART in North America was only 17 shows, mainly in smaller markets. The POP album at that point had only sold 1.2 million copies in the USA. Despite these facts, 575,742 people attended these 17 shows! The first leg of POPMART had 29 shows and 14 "sellouts", the third leg had 17 shows and 5 "sellouts". There were a few shows on both the first Elevation leg and the third Elevation leg that did not completely sellout in small markets and usually seats that were behind the stage being the tickets that remained unsold.
12 of 17 Popmart shows for the third leg, or 70% of the shows were not filled to capacity. And a number of them I am certain, were to half-empty stadiums. Traditionally, U2 don't play major markets like Chicago or Boston on their third legs, so it is a safe assumption that they won't hit those dates in this third leg either.
jick, again you're full of BS.
You like so much to remind how many copies POP and ATYCLB sold, then I wont repeat it again...
but when a tour like PopMart after a "failure-album" like POP, on 95 shows, has 3.9mln people (~41053 fans/show).
...and a tour like Elevation after a "succesful-album" like ATYCLB, on 113 shows has 2.1mln people (~18584 fans/show)
(lets leave the gross of the tours behind and talk only about nr of people)
...then:
1)It's not because of the people PopMart's numbers look like that, but because of the tour's cost, ticket's price, and becouse they played on to big stadiums ("not sold out" part- wich looks bad on paper)
2)You can be sure that even if HTDAAB would not sell even one more copy anymore... the people in huge numbers would still come to see them (just like they did on PopMart)
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HTDDAB is already going above many other u2 albums. like boy,oct,zooropa.pop and tied with unforgettable fire. so by u2 standards, witch everyone won't look past this album is in the middle. whats the fucking problem? and the things been out 3-4 mouths.
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I have never been shy about my good impression of U2's huge intitial sales weels. What is alarming is the fact that the chart positions and sales figures have dried up so soon. I was hoping for a better performance than this.

I don't understand Jick. We've already established how far ahead HTDAAB is of ATYCLB's pace. Even if the numbers from week 15 for both albums remained the same all year, which they certainly won't, it would take all year before HTDAAB fell to the same amount of sales as ATYCLB, and that won't happen because ATYCLB's numbers began to fall off as 2001 went along.

Remember, ATYCLB wasn't certified 3x platinum until a year after it came out, yet HTDAAB already has been. Using actual sales numbers, HTDAAB is half a million ahead right now, and we haven't even had the tour yet.

Four months is too early to determine an album's lifespan, wouldn't you agree?
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I hope never to meet such a person as this idea, especially in a bar or an airplane. F&^k off would be a response. HTDAAB is the best album ever wrtitten anytime and will be seen as such after 50 years. Beautiful stuff. Here is the tour.
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I am not politcally correct because just I try British habit of binge driunking. And now I so say that Jick is very much like Dick and he is.
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I am not politcally correct because just I try British habit of binge driunking. And now I so say that Jick is very much like Dick and he is.
And before I am banned form saying this also he is to say in British, for sure, 100% a wanker.
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fact is theres 3 types of u2 fans

1. fans who have been there since the start (usually) who like UF, JT, ATYCLB

2. fans who like u2's experimental side (AB, Zooropa, Pop, and to some extent HTDAAB-- I know some people will disagree and say HTDAAB is safe but I just look at in the context of today's music songs like MD, AMAAW, Crumbs are unique)

3. fans who understand both sides of u2's evolution, and appreciate both parts equally and believe that without one side they couldn't have the other

now its my belief that #2 fans are usually OKAY with traditional albums like ATYCLB because thats where U2 started from, but #1 fans absolutely hate experimental U2 because they feel alienated
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2. fans who like u2's experimental side (AB, Zooropa, Pop, and to some extent HTDAAB-- I know some people will disagree and say HTDAAB is safe but I just look at in the context of today's music songs like MD, AMAAW, Crumbs are unique)


now its my belief that #2 fans are usually OKAY with traditional albums like ATYCLB because thats where U2 started from, but #1 fans absolutely hate experimental U2 because they feel alienated
Yeah, I think I'm definitely #2 and still kinda okay with ATYCLB.
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songs like MD, AMAAW, Crumbs are unique)
Oh... and I don't think MD qualifies. Just listen to Jick's mix of WOWY and MD.
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Oh... and I don't think MD qualifies. Just listen to Jick's mix of WOWY and MD.
Wait til I make the Crumbs Walk On mix or the Yahweh/One Tree Hill/Streets mix - they should be all forthcoming. Or even the Mercy - Flock Of SeaGulls mix.

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